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Old 08-11-2007, 09:29 AM   #1
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if I were to come into some cash...

..and decided that I wanted some welding equipment to learn how to weld (since my buddy never had the time like he said), what should I get?

I'm not understanding the difference between the types of welding.

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Depends. What do you plan on welding? I have a Millermatic 210 and absolutely love it. I weld up to 1/2" plate on occasion and regularly burn in 1/4" steel. The MIG was a great choice for me to learn and some day I hope to learn TIG. My 210 will weld aluminum with the proper spool gun so I was glad I wasn't just stuck to steel.

The only down fall to a larger machine is the required electric needed to run it. In my opinion you really need 220v electric for whatever machine you plan to use if you plan on fabrication for your jeep.

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I have several places with 220 in my shop. I'd like to try my hand at making some of the things I want to have for my jeep... and shop equipment that I'm too cheap to buy.

As long as I don't purchase something and then find out it's totally the wrong thing for eventually making stuff for my jeep I'd be happy. I guess that's what I'm really asking. I assume that Millermatic is a specific brand. Is it that I need to consider the material it welds and not the type of welding?
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Millers are expensive but are quality machines.

If you could,take some welding classes unless you have someone who can sit down with you with another hood and teach you. Practice, practice, practice, practice that is the key. I took classes but nothing compared to learning next to a old welder who had been doing it for years, who knew all the tricks.

Welding sucks btw =P

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I have several places with 220 in my shop. I'd like to try my hand at making some of the things I want to have for my jeep... and shop equipment that I'm too cheap to buy.

As long as I don't purchase something and then find out it's totally the wrong thing for eventually making stuff for my jeep I'd be happy. I guess that's what I'm really asking. I assume that Millermatic is a specific brand. Is it that I need to consider the material it welds and not the type of welding?
Miller is the company. Miller Matic is the machine. The millermatic 212 is a nice piece. Don't let the retail cost shock you from the website.

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...llermatic_212/

Miller has a great site dedicated to making your skills better. I've used it many times. I didn't take a class as I had the "buddy" approach covered. My welding "instructor" has been doing it professionally for the past 30 years. I can't learn from books or a class room so I really needed the trigger time.

http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...ur-skills/mig/

If you want to burn stuff for your jeep I'd suggest a MIG. You can use it for a wide range of product and make it stick. It is simple to learn and the functions of the machine is simple.
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Thanks guys. Gotta decide if I actually want to spend the dough on that or just buy the stuff I want outright. Sometimes it's better to leave it to the professionals, but I just hate to do that.
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Yea, MIG is the way to go. Expensive but quality machines, all we use out on the job site.

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Thanks guys. Gotta decide if I actually want to spend the dough on that or just buy the stuff I want outright. Sometimes it's better to leave it to the professionals, but I just hate to do that.
Just like with the jeep debate, built or bought? Welding is a great skill to have under your belt. You never know when you might need to weld something up on your jeep or anything else for that matter. You know how it feels to stand back after making something and be able to say "I did that".

Just be ready to get some burns here and there. -.-

Btw if you get a MIG, ima have to come up there and do some welding.

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Thanks guys. Gotta decide if I actually want to spend the dough on that or just buy the stuff I want outright. Sometimes it's better to leave it to the professionals, but I just hate to do that.
as a bad example, without welding there is no way I could have built my jeep. Same holds true when you get into fabricating parts for your jeep such as bumpers and what nots.

Honestly, look into the price of a couple bumpers, some rocker guards, and other little knick knacks you want. Then go to your local steel yard and look at the cost of steel required to make those products yourself. You will see how a welding machine will eventually pay for itself when you get into it.

I'm on the other side of the boat. I hate making brackets, and tabs, and bumpers and all that jazz. I'd rather just throw the bracket onto the frame and weld it up. I just don't have the time required to make a bracket look nice. So I tend to buy items and weld them on.
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Apprenticed here, it is a good idea to take some classes if your buddy has no time. Taking the classes will also show you all the different types of welding and how to compensate for different conditions and metals.
I've seen some really nasty and weak welds from great machines being used by people who had no clue how to weld. Miller makes a good rig. There are few cheaper ones that I have used and worked well but if you can afford it go with Miller.

FYI I actually prefer the lincoln's over all the others, but thats just me, and I need to learn how to post faster.
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I've seen some really nasty and weak welds from great machines being used by people who had no clue how to weld.
Should have seen my welds when I was in highschool! >.> But of course my teacher had no idea how to weld. He was more interested in his automatic dim welding hood then welding.

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Just be ready to get some burns here and there. -.-
I work with fire all the time. Burnt my eyelashes off at the beginning of the summer, they're just finally coming back. I have plenty of burns and scars, a few more won't matter much.


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I'm on the other side of the boat. I hate making brackets, and tabs, and bumpers and all that jazz. I'd rather just throw the bracket onto the frame and weld it up. I just don't have the time required to make a bracket look nice. So I tend to buy items and weld them on.
I don't have enough time in the day to make all the stuff I want to. For me, it's separating what I should take the time to make and what I should buy so that I can focus on what I need to focus on. But you're right, all the what-nots add up and the welder would pay for itself... if I can work up the skill.


Odhinn...... there's a great college up the road from me, maybe I should look into it more. I considered it before but schedules and getting the kids to school everyday makes it almost impossible for me to take the classes.
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yeah, welding is a great skill, and definately go MIG. You can't go wront with either a Miller or Lincoln welder. And like Lev said, the best way to learn is with someone who had been doing it a long time.. and practice on scrap metal.
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I work with fire all the time. Burnt my eyelashes off at the beginning of the summer, they're just finally coming back. I have plenty of burns and scars, a few more won't matter much.




I don't have enough time in the day to make all the stuff I want to. For me, it's separating what I should take the time to make and what I should buy so that I can focus on what I need to focus on. But you're right, all the what-nots add up and the welder would pay for itself... if I can work up the skill.
The guy I learned from told me this. "I could teach a monkey how to weld" I guess I was his example.

If your a fast learner then you should be fine.

Story time!

Friend of mine was showing off all his scars from welding one day during break. He was up in the air about 4 floors up welding on some pipe without his harness. (Idiot) Well some slag went down his shirt and he slipped off the pipe. The only thing he could grab on to was the pipe and it just happend to be the spot he had just got done welding. He said he could smell and hear the flesh on the underside of his wrist burning. He couldent let go till they came and got him.

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If you are quick enough I suppose you could get a few how-to books and teach yourself but that would only get you so far and might just frustrate you. Just be careful and use a hood. You don't want Flash Burn, It SUCKS!!!!!, I've had it more then once doing quick welds. And watch for slag in the boots. I did the monkey dance after that happened to me.
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Oh now, I need to see the "Monkey Dance"

Are flash burns anything like burning your lungs cuz you're stupid and sucked air when you opened a 2000 degree kiln with your head over it? I'm accident prone.
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Are flash burns anything like burning your lungs cuz you're stupid and sucked air when you opened a 2000 degree kiln with your head over it? I'm accident prone.
Its when you burn your eyes.

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Flash Burn=Burn your eye to the point they swell shut and nothing takes the pain away. Ugg Fire Bad....
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no, burns are like slag dropping in your shoe cause you wore shorts that day. Then knocking yourself out when you try to get out from under what you are working on. LOL Worse is having slag drop in your ear and cauterizing it shut.

I have 2 huge burn holes on my ankles from wearing shorts when I shouldn't. I haven't experienced the ears yet. I've been wearing ear protection cause I'm picky about hearing.
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Slag anywhere hurts! >.<

I was moving my friends leads while he was up gouging these huge turning veins. Well one second hes working right along the next hes flopping around like a fish out of water. I was laughing it up I thought he was kidding, turns out it burned thru his pants and was burning up in a very bad spot. *GASP*

Had some slag go in my ear once it was not fun at all, only a small peice that came off when I was chippin my weld. I wore my earplugs from then on.

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Slag BAD!!!! I think the weirdest thing I had happen to me welding was when I was welding on a 16'x1/4 stainless plate. Just a heads up when stainless is heated it distorts and flexes like no other metal. The other end of the plate swung around and pinned me to the table. No burns that time just very embarrasing.
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Are flash burns anything like burning your lungs cuz you're stupid and sucked air when you opened a 2000 degree kiln with your head over it? I'm accident prone.
Imagine filling your eyes with sand and having no way to rinse it out, that feeling goes on for a couple days.
Then there's slag, big blobs of white hot metal that keeps burning as it falls through your flesh.
Welding is fun
Mig is perfect for a small shop, don't get flux core, get a machine with gas, the ease of welding with gas is worth the extra cost.
My dad was a welder in the Navy, I had to learn on an old cracker box.
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i'd def. try a technical college. a technical college will give you plenty of understanding, history, and bacground of welding. but it will aslo give you plenty of hands on welding expierence. and as with anything. practice practice pracitce
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Palomar JC has some great welding classes. Fall schedule is closed because all the classes are full. If you are really interested, I'd sign up for a class in the spring.
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a lot of community colleges offer a welding class. Plus they are usually only about 300-400 bucks to take. I would think it would be at least enough to give you a good starting point that you could then build on with practice.
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Anyone know if a Miller 225 Thunderbolt is any good? Saw a guy selling one for 100 bucks and it includes a cart.
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Miller Trailblazer 302. Thats the one you need.
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Palomar JC has some great welding classes. Fall schedule is closed because all the classes are full. If you are really interested, I'd sign up for a class in the spring.
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a lot of community colleges offer a welding class. Plus they are usually only about 300-400 bucks to take. I would think it would be at least enough to give you a good starting point that you could then build on with practice.

Yeah, I know, problem is my schedule, that's why I was hoping to do it on my own.
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i use a 110 volt machine and it did fine, it welded the .14 inch tube perfect, for bigger stuff though you'll need a 220V outlet
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I just noticed everyone uses mig, am I the only one that still primarily uses ARC on most things.

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