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Old 07-30-2008, 09:56 AM   #31
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Again wrong sorry. These are the most off-road capable stock Jeeps ever made. You could never put 32"'s on most previous factory stock Jeeps. With all respect, it's not whether you like the direction Jeep is going in - it's whether they are as or more off-road capable than prior Jeeps and the answer is a resounding yes. If they have better suspensions, better clearance, better .... they're better. My last post on this as it's pointless.

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Old 07-30-2008, 10:00 AM   #32
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Oh cripes will you people give it up.

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i cannot argue that the improvements to axles, disconnects and lockers are fantastic. who can argue against that, they should've done that a lot sooner. but there's a lot of pavement pounder rubicons rollin around. the interior was like a freeking 300m or some new car. and the motor just needs more power.

they're nice, my wife wants a 4 dr. they've made improvements that are gonna help them sell to a new group, but its not or me.

the cadillac arguement isn't valid to me, cadillac has always strived for one direction, top of the line, luxury. jeep went from rugged off road, to a direction i'm not gonna describe to not offend anyone.
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i love this conversation, pastorsteve, that won't be your last post on this topic, cuz its too hard to stop.

this is my favorite argument. the rubicon is the best stock wrangler built as far as capability, who can argue. but i can't stand seeing them in the mall where the owner is too scared to get mud on his tie.

oh yeah, i almost forgot, 4x4 is an option?????? and a car interior, thats what i don't like.
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Old 07-30-2008, 08:47 PM   #35
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My main complaint or dislike of the V6 vs the I6 and I4 is that they use iron blocks and alloy heads on the V's. You can overheat an I4 or I6 generally with no big issues, try that on a iron/aluminum engine and at a minimum you will be replacing head gaskets. They expand and contract at different rates vs the iron/iron of the Inline engines which tend to lessen the problem quite a lot.
I have never liked aluminum in any engine.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:05 PM   #36
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^thanks for all that

rich also brings up a great point, putting an aluminum head on a cast block does lead to problems. the two metals heat up at different rates.
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I was curious about this info too. I still am uncertain what is best??? I tend to think the V6 is better thatn the old I6 technology. This is just something I cannot seem to get over. Good post!
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Let me try to sum it up for you. The 4.0 I6 is a proven powerplant that is a pushrod style engien. It reaches peak tourque at a very low rpm making it great for offroading. It is all cast iron. The 3.8l v6 is a cast iron block with aluminum heads. It is a SOHC engien and has a little more hourse power and tourque than the I6 but reaches that at a higher rpm. They both are pretty reliable. IMO the I6 is better. What i've heard from people that have had both is you get same out of the I6 at a much lower rpm. There is nothing wrong with one or the other ,I would rather have a I6.
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What do they do with all the extra space that a V6 model would have. I imagine the engine is significantly shorter??? Did they redesign the engine compartment?
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the tj and jk are totally different.
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My jeep I currently have has a 2.5L 4 Cylinder engine. I want a little more power and was looking at putting an inline 6 in it. Would the engine mounts line up or would i have to do some modifications?
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:52 AM   #44
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The 3.8 is still a mini van motor first and a Jeep motor second.The 4.0 is a Jeep motor first.I will take a 4.0 over a 3.8 anytime.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:15 AM   #45
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Literally ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, let me get this point across and I very humbly make this point for I am at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to Jeep history, knowledge and evolution.

IMO, I think the new Jeeps (speaking from driving my friend's '09 Jeep) have become a bit homogenized and mainstream. The older Jeeps were raw, powerful, and really only fit a certain genre of people. Case in point: The 1st generation Dodge Vipers were loud, had no A/C, very powerful, and had raw and bold lines. The new Vipers, however, are more subtle and less vicious.

My dad has a YJ which I like but the slight nuanced front lights, exemplified Jeeps shift into evolution for the masses. They did, however, shift back to the days of yore by changing back to the older lights after the YJ. People didn't want soft lines or new things, they wanted their old Jeep back which is so ingrained and part of our off road automotive fabric and history.

Look at what Ford has done with the new Mustangs. Look at what Chevy has done with the new Camaros. Look at what Mopar has done with the Challengers and Chargers. No, they are nothing like their classic predecessors but they are not evolving to new space age bizarro designes. They are reverting to the golden times. They are re adapting the old lines that made muscle cars.

I saw a guy in an '09 Rubicon and he had 22 inch wheels chromed to the 9s, he had what it sounded like a $4k sound system. He had funky Xenon type lights he added. He also had his windows up with his A/c blasting. That's not a Jeep but a mini Hummer.

Jeeps aren't Hummers. I frown upon people that own Hummers because I ask the question: "Why?" Why????? Why????? Is bigger really better?

O well. Sorry for the rant but my Jeep has no A/c, no doors(95% of the time), and is just a TJ pretending to be a CJ 'back in the day.'
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Hello all,

My friend just bought an '08 Wrangler. Correct me if I'm wrong: He has a V6 while my 2000 TJ is an inline 6.

What's the difference? Performance? Longetivity? Efficiency? Is there really that much of a difference?
Your 4.0L will go to 200K miles.... His 3.8L i don't know...
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Mother of all things ancient and old on WF... This thread is 5 years old!
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Mother of all things ancient and old on WF... This thread is 5 years old!
That's like 65 years in interwebz time!
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That's like 65 years in interwebz time!
More like 85. Close though.
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Plenty of time for Jeep to have already replaced the 3.8 minivan motor.
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This thread may be 5 years old, but the I6 is still better.
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This thread may be 5 years old, but the I6 is still better.
What about 3.6 vs. 4.0
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What about 3.6 vs. 4.0
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The jury is still out on the 3.6 from a longevity standpoint. It sure is fun to drive, though!
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I liked the 258 and i love the 4.0. Not crazy about the V6. The 4.0 is best of both worlds, reliable torquey. I6 with EFI whats not to love? easy to work on? i wouldnt know.
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If the 3.6 proves itself in the long run in reliability, it's a no brainer. The I6 will only have so much of an advantage, and it isn't much more reliable than the 3.8, which is extremely reliable. If the 3.6 can hold its own for as long as the 3.8, than the I6 has very little use. A properly geared 3.6 will have the torque and and still the RPMs to get better mileage and more useable power on the highway at speeds the I6 couldn't imagine.
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I search for 8 months to find my Jeep. 2005 50k on a I-6. Previously owned by an old guy that pull it behind an RV. I really wanted that I-6, 6 speed manual trans. And WOW it has a lot of power, high and low end. Minivans suck. Really, they do.
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I just saw a 2005 soft top for sale with 64,000 for 12,500. I know the seller. It was never off pavement....but compared to my 2013 JKUS it's tiny and claustrophobic. Sure there's more sheet metal, but when I shut the doors the whole side of the jeep flexed. The I6 might prove to be better, but I'll take mine with the 3.6 any day.
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I just saw a 2005 soft top for sale with 64,000 for 12,500. I know the seller. It was never off pavement....but compared to my 2013 JKUS it's tiny and claustrophobic. Sure there's more sheet metal, but when I shut the doors the whole side of the jeep flexed. The I6 might prove to be better, but I'll take mine with the 3.6 any day.

Like a good golf club, it's supposed to flex. How about them door handles on the JK?


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