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Old 04-26-2007, 05:14 PM   #1
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Is this normal *PICS INCLOSED*

*EDIT* Shoulda put in TJ section.. I am apparently semi-retarded. I think I started putting it here for general advice on what to do, although I do think it should be in TJ section. Feel free to move if you feel it should be in TJ.*

Ok, I am going to try and make this fiasco as short as possible.

I bought this Jeep about a month ago. As soon as I signed the paper work, I found a paper in the glove box stating the trans was previously replaced 2,000 miles ago. Didnt think anything of it. Few weeks later, I have the dealership look at it before I go on vacation for a clutch squeak. They tell me they need to order an O2 sensor and to come back in 2 days. I came back, they replaced the O2 sensor, and said the trans was improperly installed and they cannot touch the Jeep anymore untill the bolts were fixed.
They said one bolt was cross threaded and one was tight, but not touching the bellhousing or flexplate. They said it was probably not the clutch chattering, but was actually probably the bellhousing slapping the block, or the flexplate? (plate inbetween bellhousing/block think its called flexplate..brain fart..) was vibrating whenever I am on a hill in 1st or reverse and push the clutch in. I also hear a metallic vibration from 10-5mph when slowing down.
I wasnt too worried about it, but I paid for the labor which was supposed to be reimbersed by the dealer that replaced the trans and went on vacation. When I got back, I took it to the dealer that did the trans. They tell me everything is A-OK and that myself and the dealer are full of it.
Just to be safe, I took the Jeep today to a 3rd dealer, too make sure everything was kosher. They then told me the same thing as the first. Basically, there are 2 bolts, one cross threaded at an angle, and the other is tight but not touching anything (too long). They said its a workmanship issue and no other dealer except the one that installed the trans is going to touch this Jeep untill it is fixed properly.
I called Diamler Chrysler customer service and explained the situation, and was told that their dealership are all independently owned and I could either sell my Jeep and buy something else, or let the dealer that did the trans fix the problem (which they say is non existant).
So I went outside and looked underit myself. I had been trying to avoid this, because I stoped working on cars, and am a bit of a perfectionist. I ended up finding the bolts in question, which seem to be bolts that only hold the plate to trans, not trans to block, and also found what appears to be a decent rear main seal leak. Now this thing has been on 3 lifts, and had 4 technicians under it, and not a dang one said anything about a rear main leak...

I am not sure what to do now. I called the dealer that did the trans again, and got the service manager. I have an appointment tommorrow morning to have it put on a lift and myself, him, and a tech, go underneith and look for this problem. Thing is, I have spent 2 mornings, and 2 vacation days, getting this squared away. All dealers are atleast 15 miles each way away, and I am also paying labor fees to have this thing looked at. I feel like I am being screwed.

Am I crazy in thinking this should be fixed, or am I just being stubborn? I took some pics so you all might be able to see what I am talking about. click pics to make them a lot bigger.
Leak and bolt:


Leak and bolt 2:


Rear of transmission, where the leak ends and drips onto ground:


End of leak 2:


ground after driving car ~40 miles than parked it for 15 mins:



Cross threaded (angled) bolt:


Angled bolt again:


Upper bolt with the gab, couldnt get a good pic:


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Old 04-26-2007, 05:20 PM   #2
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Hell man, all that cross threaded bolt is holding on there is the dust shield. Just run it out and try to run it back in straight.

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Yep, that angled bolt doesn't do anything structurally significant.
On the bolt with the gap, if it's bottoming out all you need to do is pull it and grind a bit off the end.
I doubt either of those would cause the symptoms you describe and your dealers are being pissy because they didn't get to rape you on the tranny replacement.
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Ok, so would you even bother going to the dealer that did the trans to have them look at it, or just let it be and run it untill something breaks? I dont care about the noise, all I really want is to be able to have my Jeep worked on by a dealer of my choice, and not the one that did the trans beacuse its so far away. I also just want to be reassured that everything is installed correctly, and the noise is just a random, not very common, clutch noise that does not in any way shape or form mean that clutch or trans was improperly installed. I know I am probably asking for a lot, but at this point with all the BS ive been dealing with from dealerships, I just want to make sure that I am not going to have to eat the cost of a repair that is premature, especially when I bought an extended bumper to bumper jeep warranty, and the jeep is only 23,000 miles old...

Funny how these things work. When I got rid of my 97 I said I would get a newer Jeep with a warranty so I wouldnt have to deal with spending every day off fixing it, now I doing the same thing but with a car payment
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If they sold it to you like that then they have no choice but to honor the warranty.
I would make the tranny shop repair the bolts if possible, the one with the gap definitely should be fixed but the one that's angled may even be a flaw in the bolt hole, I wouldn't think you could get that much angle on the head just from cross threading but it's still not all that important.
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Ok cool. I just didnt want to show up and have these dudes tell me I am a moron and everything is ok. What about the leak, skeeter? Would you have em take care of that while its there, or let it go untill it gets worse?
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mine has been in the shops four times for that leak. each time they say its been fixed....it's still leaking.
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Time, that is what they will win with. If you cannot invest the time to get satisfaction they know you will go away. and they win. They have time, and unless you sacrifice your time and go without transportation take the loss and move on. been there done that. BUT if you want satisfaction spend the time and dog the he** out of them. victory will be mine, never giveup never surrender!
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Thats really odd bigjeep. Its kind of funny (well not really) how the older version of the same car can hold up so much better than the same thing with less miles Hopefully these are just flaws with the new transmission that will be fixed by DC soon. I have been hearing lots of horror stories about 05-06 TJs with teh 6 spd. I wonder if DC will just keep replacing with the same parts instead of R&Ding new ones, since they released the JK? Or maybe a lot of us are just unlucky, and there isnt anything wrong with the new 6 spd.
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Ok cool. I just didnt want to show up and have these dudes tell me I am a moron and everything is ok. What about the leak, skeeter? Would you have em take care of that while its there, or let it go untill it gets worse?
Yes, I would the leak fixed, if it's leaking from the rear main then it's inside your bell housing near your clutch, if you get oil on your clutch you can smoke it in a matter of minutes.
You've got warranty, make em earn the price you paid for it.
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Time, that is what they will win with. If you cannot invest the time to get satisfaction they know you will go away. and they win. They have time, and unless you sacrifice your time and go without transportation take the loss and move on. been there done that. BUT if you want satisfaction spend the time and dog the he** out of them. victory will be mine, never giveup never surrender!
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