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Old 01-30-2009, 09:32 PM   #1
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Hello all! I am a Jeep Commander and Wrangler owner as some may know. I spend most time on another forum but there is some debate as to this topic. The main opinion is that most Wrangler owners think the Commander is not a real Jeep. I used to feel that way until I drove one off-road and was shocked to see what it could do. Keep in mind my question is NOT which is better (commander or wrangler). My question is what is your opinion of the Commander even if you have never been in one? I want to know what everyone thinks of the Commander on-road, off-road, and everywhere else? Just want to set the record straight and thanks in advance for your help.

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I think they are too boxy. Remind me of the Scion. I like to take my top off of my Jeep, that's what I think of when I think Jeep.

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The XK Commander is a great vehicle. I'm always glad to see another Jeep on the trail and prefer it and the Grand Cherokee over any other comparable SUV on the market today (4Runner, Explorer, Tahoe, Pilot, etc). The XK does a lot of things that the Wrangler can't do, such as haul 7 people on a trail to a campsite, etc. And the Wrangler does a lot of things the XK can't do as well. But, that's the point, they're two different vehicles built for two different purposes, but in stock form, both have the ability to tackle the majority of trails.

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Commanders look like a Hummer knock off and arnt a real jeep, personally neither are the compass or the other little "crossover" that they came out with
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Commanders look like a Hummer knock off and arnt a real jeep, personally neither are the compass or the other little "crossover" that they came out with
The Commander isn't a real Jeep? How so? Because the top and doors don't come off, because it doesn't have a solid front axle? I understand that it's not what people consider to be a traditional Jeep, but the 'real Jeep' statement has me scratching my head. Have you been on the trail w/ an XK or driven one on some trails?
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Look up Jeep in the DICTIONARY it will explain what a jeep is.
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Old 01-31-2009, 08:55 AM   #7
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Keep in mind he asked what you think of the commander, not wrangler vs. commander.
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I'd like to see a lifted Commander. That would be different
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I'd like to see a lifted Commander. That would be different
And I think you have a very good point. Here's some mild pics I found. You can find some video's of more difficult stuff being tackled by the XK on youtube if you're interested.





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Seem nice enough.
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Dude jeeps were never meant as a luxury vehicle and yes Ive had to tow Commaders and patriots and compasses out of the trail with my YJ because the thought they could do the same trails
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Dude jeeps were never meant as a luxury vehicle and yes Ive had to tow Commaders and patriots and compasses out of the trail with my YJ because the thought they could do the same trails
I highly doubt that...and if its true it was probablly a base model v6 Commander with QT I. Youd be suprised how capable the XK is with a mild lift and QT II or QD II.

Now you pulling a compass and patriot out of a trail I can believe as they dont have the ground clearance the XK does and are not trail rated. (Unless it was a 09 Patriot)



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Keep in mind my question is NOT which is better (commander or wrangler). My question is what is your opinion of the Commander even if you have never been in one? I want to know what everyone thinks of the Commander on-road, off-road, and everywhere else? Just want to set the record straight and thanks in advance for your help.
if you like them, why. if you don't, why? the debate over which is better could go on forever. try to stick to the question so he can try to settle a debate on the commander forum.
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I highly doubt that...and if its true it was probablly a base model v6 Commander with QT I. Youd be suprised how capable the XK is with a mild lift and QT II or QD II.

Now you pulling a compass and patriot out of a trail I can believe as they dont have the ground clearance the XK does and are not trail rated. (Unless it was a 09 Patriot)
I'd believe it, most of us have thought our rig was a SuperJeep at one time or another and gotten ourselves into trouble before. One of my most embarrassing moments was having my TJ get pulled out by a tracker. I went on a lower portion of a trail and he stayed higher, but it was embarrassing nonetheless.
Nice Jeep in the pics.
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I think Commanders are bad ass. I have never seen one lifted in person but in the pictures I have seen they look really good.
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They look good, but I still dont think they are a good trail truck, granit, my dad was lookin at one, he loves my YJ and wants something different than his 03 Trailblazer, I still wont take him on the trails I do, it would be bad to have to pull your father out lol
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Same hill, two different camera angles.



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I personally like the look of the Commanders, I can't stand the compass or the patriot but the Commander looks good. I wouldn't mind having a lifted Commander, I think they look intimidating.
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If I had to Id buy a Commander for a dd and put a slight lift and tires but keep my Wrangler for the fun weekends
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Commanders equals sexy!!!! My wife and I think they are amazing. I think they are the more luxurious, yet very businessy with balls. I know they are pricey and why did they disconti is them?
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We have both - My Wife's commander (06 hemi, 4x4) with every option available is a great all around family/tow vehicle... It can out-perform my built tj in the snow and ice any day. With that said, it is not a trail vehicle... The right tool for the right job... If we're heading up the mountain to ski, we take the commander - If we're heading up to wheel - we take the commander towing the TJ.

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Nothing special here. the Commander has a longer wheel base and it appears some sort of traction control. Not sure what the TJ has. As for the Jcommander itself, I am not a big fan of IFS for a trail Jeep. The size of the jeep not a big deal to mean just means you have to be a better driver. The extra wheel base is nice in certain uphill situations vs. the TJ.
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Not a fan. Not because "It's not a real Jeep" or "It's a Hummer knock off" (I don't think any of that is really true), but because of other reasons. Nothing necessarily wrong with it, I just wouldn't own one.
Gas guzzling "HEMI" (Yes, other companies make V8s that get more than 10mpg)
Cheap and horribly laid out interior (Personal preference)
Uncomfortable seats (personal preference)
Ugly/Cheap exterior

Rear end/4wd system. Chrysler 8.25 rear axle... with a 330hp v8? Seriously? 4Low OPTIONAL (forget 4wd being optional, I expected that after the JK..)? Seriously?!

Jeep transmission.. enough said.
Mopar warranty.. enough said.
Not to mention I have never had a reliable mopar product, short of the 2000 Wrangler I had for a short period of time, and that includes my 97 wrangler and 05 Rubicon.

I could keep going and going, but frankly, it is not worth it. I do not dislike the commander because of reasons said in this thread, I think it is a nice PURPOSE BUILT vehicle. I did not discount it based on its offroad performance, or who it was made by (to an extent). I dislike it for all of the things I do not like about it, looking at it from a tahoe/yukon/hummer h2/sequia/expedition/pathfinder armada etc. point of view. I just think it falls short in pretty much every category compared to pretty much anything in its class. Luckily for Jeep, most of that stuff is personal preference, and there will always be die hard Jeep fanatics that will buy them for their wives. If you like the Commander, more power to you, but not for me. I think there are better options out there.
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^^^^Hey probably likes GM, sounds like a GM advertisement....
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I have a Commander and a YJ. I enjoy my '94 YJ and could not get rid of it. It does things that no other 4X4 could do. I love my Commander though. I have the 4.7 liter V-8 and the Rocky Mountain package. I have to say that it is a blast to own and drive. It hauls the family and it can get dirty on the trails. It handles winter weather driving better than any 4X4 I have ever had (YJ, '01 Grand Cherokee, and '98 Blazer). The Commander will get a lift and some tires in the near future.
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Where in that post was there a GM advertisement? Just because I gave him my honest opinion like he asked, and not a "It's not a Jeep" or "OMG ITS A JEEP, ITS THE SHIZ," my post was a GM ad?
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Not a fan. Not because "It's not a real Jeep" or "It's a Hummer knock off" (I don't think any of that is really true), but because of other reasons. Nothing necessarily wrong with it, I just wouldn't own one.
Gas guzzling "HEMI" (Yes, other companies make V8s that get more than 10mpg)
Cheap and horribly laid out interior (Personal preference)
Uncomfortable seats (personal preference)
Ugly/Cheap exterior

Rear end/4wd system. Chrysler 8.25 rear axle... with a 330hp v8? Seriously? 4Low OPTIONAL (forget 4wd being optional, I expected that after the JK..)? Seriously?!

Jeep transmission.. enough said.
Mopar warranty.. enough said.
Not to mention I have never had a reliable mopar product, short of the 2000 Wrangler I had for a short period of time, and that includes my 97 wrangler and 05 Rubicon.

I could keep going and going, but frankly, it is not worth it. I do not dislike the commander because of reasons said in this thread, I think it is a nice PURPOSE BUILT vehicle. I did not discount it based on its offroad performance, or who it was made by (to an extent). I dislike it for all of the things I do not like about it, looking at it from a tahoe/yukon/hummer h2/sequia/expedition/pathfinder armada etc. point of view. I just think it falls short in pretty much every category compared to pretty much anything in its class. Luckily for Jeep, most of that stuff is personal preference, and there will always be die hard Jeep fanatics that will buy them for their wives. If you like the Commander, more power to you, but not for me. I think there are better options out there.

1: The HEMI is not the only available engine for the Commander. They also have the 4.7 L V8 and 3.7 L V6. which get better gas mileage. Last I checked everyone on the JK forum is swapping in either a 5.7 L or 6.1 L HEMI. Go figure!
2. The Commander is Full Time 4WD and I have not heard of anyone on the commander forums having trouble with the Chrysler 8.25 axle (not even the HEMI owners). The 2WD HEMI Commanders come with a DANA 44.
3. I have not heard anyone having transmission issues, and if there are its probablly because they drive there commander how I used to drive my vehicles when I was 16.
4. If you hate MOPAR so much why are you on a JEEP forum?
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1: The HEMI is not the only available engine for the Commander. They also have the 4.7 L V8 and 3.7 L V6. which get better gas mileage. Last I checked everyone on the JK forum is swapping in either a 5.7 L or 6.1 L HEMI. Go figure!
2. The Commander is Full Time 4WD and I have not heard of anyone on the commander forums having trouble with the Chrysler 8.25 axle (not even the HEMI owners). The 2WD HEMI Commanders come with a DANA 44.
3. I have not heard anyone having transmission issues, and if there are its probablly because they drive there commander how I used to drive my vehicles when I was 16.
4. If you hate MOPAR so much why are you on a JEEP forum?
1. JK owners swap the "HEMI" in, because the POS minivan motor doesn't have any power for wheeling, especially when lifted. Yes, I have driven one on 35s, and my two co workers both laughed as hard as I did.

The 4.7 is a decent engine, probably the only good choice of the list.

2. How does the Commander being a full time 4wd (clutch pack transfer case) have anything to do with 4LOW being an upgraded option?

Weather or not YOU have heard of people having problems with the 8.25 in a 4x4 Hemi, it is too small for hard wheeling. A Dana 44 is in the 2wd? Is that also in the 2wd Hemi? Dana 44s break under Wranglers with the 4.0, they threw them under that huge Commander with v8s? Dana 44 is a decent axle for us, but it is way too small for a V8, not to mention the axle seal problems they have. Then again MOPARis famous for rear ends that are a little bit too small for their application.

4. What does that have ANYTHING to do with my honest response to the OPs question? I grew up in the car business (literally). I have a degree in automotive technology. I have driven just about every car out there, including a Lambo when I was 13, which my father taught me stick on (Apparently he didn't like his boss too much at the time ). As I said in the above post, the Commander is a nice SUV, priced pretty well for the market segment it is aimed at, BUT I think there are better options out there. It's not my fault I think Mopar has been dropping the ball lately, than again, the market seems to agree with me..

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WTF is your problem? What have you contributed to this thread? You said the Commander was a Hummer knock off, that you have pulled some out of the trails (which means nothing, I have pulled Jeeps out of trails, so what), and claimed my post, WHICH JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE WHAT THAT OP ASKED FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE, was a GM ad? Where does the quote above have ANYTHING to do with the thread, let alone how my posts have anything to do with GM vehicles. Stop being a 2 year old, and start contributing to the thread. You are currently wasting bandwidth and forcing the op to wade through posts that are meaningless to the original thread question.

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