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Old 04-07-2012, 06:12 PM   #1
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Jeep Waves gone bad. Anybody?

Has anybody ever gotten a middle finger back to them for doing the Jeep Wave?

Well it happened to me today, as i waved at a wrangler. It pissed me off but I rubbed it off. I wanted to turn around to ask him what his problem was!

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Old 04-07-2012, 06:41 PM   #2
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lmao, what? maybe he didn't get the memo that we wave instead of give each other the bird. or maybe he's mad your jeep was better? you sure you didn't flick him off too?

just as I felt like I was getting more friendly responses!

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Old 04-07-2012, 07:00 PM   #3
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I'm just waiting for Barrie to come along and lock this. Btw: Offical Wrangler Forum Jeep Wave Thread
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:02 PM   #4
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Lately I have had a lot of non wavers. I brush it off and keep waving! But I have also noticed that most TJ owners wave back and the newer JK's don't as much. I was just thinking that maybe some of the owners aren't jeepers! They just want to look cool. Keep the wave alive!

No disrespect to the JK owners that are jeepers! When I get my chance and the cash I can't wait to get my hands on that new style!
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:07 PM   #5
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Lately I have had a lot of non wavers. I brush it off and keep waving! But I have also noticed that most TJ owners wave back and the newer JK's don't as much. I was just thinking that maybe some of the owners aren't jeepers! They just want to look cool. Keep the wave alive!

No disrespect to the JK owners that are jeepers! When I get my chance and the cash I can't wait to get my hands on that new style!
JK owner here... Teraflex lift, 35" Nittos, Fab Four front bumper w warn 9.5cti, rampage rear recovery, etc... And... Not offended... You are spot on... JK's are so nice now inside PEOPLE buy 'em... Not just Jeepers! I'll always wave ! Theres still a few Jeepers in JK's!
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:14 PM   #6
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I never got the finger , but i still have never got a wave from a jk. No prob though, i will keep trying
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:22 PM   #7
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"The Jeep Wave: An honor bestowed upon those drivers with the superior intelligence, taste, class, and discomfort tolerance to own the ultimate vehicle - the Jeep. Generally consists of vigorous side-to-side motion of one or both hands, but may be modified to suit circumstances and locally accepted etiquette. Examples of commonly accepted modifications:
Top off: One handed wave above windshield or outside body tub
Top off during blizzard: Shiver and nod, hands may remain frozen to steering wheel
Southern/rural locations: Raise fingers from steering wheel, nod
It's not what you buy, it's what you build and what you do with it.

In keeping with this cardinal rule of Jeeping, categories have been established to account for each part of the equation.
These categories are:
The Jeep Waving Hierarchy: Based on the vehicle itself. Takes into account the nostalgia factor, the discomfort tolerance quotient, and the amount of owner dedication required to maintain the steed.
The Modifying Sub-categories: Based on what you do with your Jeep.
Equipment Adjustments: What you build.


General Rules:

1. All Jeepers are responsible for upholding the tradition of the Wave. Upon contact with a higher scoring Jeep, a Jeeper is required to initiate the Wave, and continue the Wave until:
The Wave is returned
The Wave is blatantly disregarded
The higher scoring vehicle has passed by and is out of sight
2. All Jeepers are required to return the Wave, unless the initiating vehicle is clearly has a negative (below 0) score.

3. All Jeepers are encouraged, but not required, to return the Wave to negative balance vehicles, and take any opportunity presented to guide and mentor them about their responsibilities to their Jeeps in the hopes that they can correct the error of their ways.

4. When unsure of status or wave requirements of a particular encounter or unable to completely assess the other Jeep's score quickly enough to ensure that the proper Jeep Wave Etiquette rules are followed, immediately initiate wave.

"When in doubt, WHIP IT OUT!"


First, the Jeep Waving Hierarchy (JWH):

Category A Pre-CJ: 30
Category B Pre-AMC CJ: 27
Category C Other CJ: 25
Category D Commando: 20
Category E YJ 16
Category F TJ 15
Category G Cherokee, Wagoneer: 10
Category H All other Jeeps: 5
Category I All other 4WD vehicles EXCEPT yuppie Explorers: 0
Category J All other vehicles 0


The Modifying Sub-Categories (MSCs):
(What you do with it)

MSC Guidelines:

1. MSCs must be considered during all Jeep encounters, and wave patterns must be adjusted accordingly.

2. MSC 5 is the median - the accepted norm.

3. MSCs from 1 through 4 will increase score as listed.

4. MSCs 6 and 7 will decrease score as listed.

MSC 1: Top off; vehicle, driver, and all occupants covered with mud: +30
MSC 2: Top partially off; vehicle and some occupants covered with Mud: +20
MSC 3: Top on; vehicle covered with mud: +10
MSC 4: Top off during snow, sleet, hail, or heavy rain: +5
MSC 5: Somewhat dirty: 0
MSC 6: Obviously recently washed, but immediately re-muddied a little: -10
MSC 7: Clean, dry, unscratched, untested: -30


Equipment Adjustments
(What you build)


Consideration must be given to the current mechanical condition of the vehicle, including all modifications for trailworthiness, comfort, appearance, and spouse-appeasal. These are known as Equipment Adjustments (EAs). EAs are a complicated category, and often difficult to appraise under certain conditions (passing head-to-head at 60 mph, when covered with mud, etc) but must be used to modify score when feasible. If a vehicle is so covered with mud that you are unable to ascertain any of the EAs, you MUST assume that the EAs, when combined with the MSC 1 adjustment, would place the vehicle in a higher scoring position than any non-MSC 1 Jeep, and immediately initiate the wave. Otherwise, EAs will adjust score as follows:


Engine:
Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
Stock, 8-cyl: +2
Stock, 6-cyl: +1
Stock, 4-cyl: 0
Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
Replaced, 4-cyl: -1
Drivetrain Modifications:
Improved internal mechanical parts (crank/cam/etc): +2 each
Upgraded Transmission: NV4500 or Turbo400: +3, All others: +2
Upgraded Transfer Case: +2
Improved exterior mechanical parts (headers/manifolds/pumps/filters/etc): +1 each
Stone stock in a pre-1970 vehicle: +3 (for nostalgia and historical analysis)
All Comfort enhancements removed for more power: +2
Tires:
Stock or unremarkable: 0
Original Tires on Pre-CJ: +2
Slightly oversized (up to 31"): +1
Over 31, with other appropriate mods: +2
Any size, currently covered with mud: +2
Working tires > 31" with original donut spare: -2
Low-profile: -10
Suspension:
Stock, Pre-CJ: +2 if driver can still walk after an hour in the saddle
Body lift: +1/inch
Suspension lift: +2/inch
Spring-Over Lift: +3
High-quality shocks: +2
Lowered: -20
Other accessories/conditions:
Winch, heavy-duty, obviously used: +2
Winch, heavy-duty, use unclear: +1
Other winch, obviously used: +1
Little, chrome-covered, toy winch: -1
Lockers: +2
Upgraded axles: +1
Upgraded transfer case: +1
Each chrome accessory currently shiny: -1
Each neon accessory: -2
Fire extinguishers: +1
Block and Tackle, anchors, etc: +2
Ropes, straps, tow chains: +1
Tow Hooks: +1
Nerf Bars/Rock Rails, used and scarred: +2
Nerf Bars, shiny, no scars: -1
Heavy duty bash/skid plates: +1
Other protective plating (diamond plate, etc): +2 if scarred, -2 if unscarred
Extra fuel tanks/oversize fuel tanks: +1
External Gear Carrying Rack: +1
Multi disc-CD Player: -1
More than one subwoofer: -1 each
First Aid Kit: +1
Backpack, food, emergency gear (just in case): +2
On-board air compressor: +1
On-board Welder: +2
Girly, shiny chrome center caps: -1
Krylon home-made paint job: +1 (for realizing it's just going to happen again)
Blackout Headlight Covers: -1
Any little flippy interior vanity mirrors: -1
Children in vehicle: +1/each (for proper training/indoctrination), +2 if muddy, an immediate correction if not belted in.
EARNED trip stickers/badges/etc: +1/each
Unearned stickers/badges/etc: -2/each
Stickers advertising for other than 4wd-related businesses: -2 (except No Fear: -5)
MSC 1 vehicle in corporate lot sharing with neighbor vehicles: +1 per vehicle decorated
Correct mental attitude, seen or proven: +3
Windshield down: +1 (+2 if raining/snowing)
Bugs left on face/teeth as evidence of recent windshield down driving: +1 (+2 if more than a week old)
CB radio or other communication tool (for emergency only): +1
Hi-Lift Jack: +2
Flexible caulking to fill leaks and body damage: +2
Dogs as passengers, properly secured: +1 (sharing the joy of Jeeping)
Bringing a new Jeeper into the Family: +5
Extra Lighting, used for night-wheeling, not pastel or neon colored: +1/ea
Homemade roll bar pads: +1
Duct Tape currently in use: +1 per yard
Duct Tape Reserve: +1 per roll
Top on and windows up, warm day: -2
Grenade Hood Ornament: +1
P.A. - used to harass drivers of lesser vehicles: +1
Storage boxes from solid steel or ammo cans: +1
Waving while fighting the older Jeeps' natural urge to wander: +1
Plastic headlight covers/accessories: -1
Bra (on a Jeep - how could you??): -1
Snorkel Gear (functional): +2
Battle Scars:
Mashed hood, top, etc., obviously from roll-over: +3
Holes above glove box where passenger ripped grab-bar out: +3
Heavily gouged rocker panels: +2
Bloody seats: +2
V-bent front bumper from being pulled out of that REALLY bad one: +2
Scarred sides from those mis-judged rocks: +1
Any small parking lot dent/scratch still identifiable: -1
Other accessories bent, folded, mangled or mutilated: +1, EXCEPT:
See above, but said item is owned by your spouse: +2
No scars whatsoever: -3 (Unless Pre-CJ restored, then: +3)
New body due to rust only: -5 (unless a rescue, see discussion below)
New body due to damage: Previous damage points carry over (see discussion below)
Fire Damage (bubbled paint, singed seats, etc): +2
Limbs, Shrubs, etc attached well enough to remain at highway speed: +1/each
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of snowmobiles: +1
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of boats: +2
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of tracked vehicles: +2
Scars on the driver - MUST be Jeep-related, may require proof: +1
Each Jeep Rescue performed: +1"
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:30 PM   #8
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sorry, that was me,,,, i was flicking a booger.
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:51 PM   #9
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:55 PM   #11
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JK owner here also and I have a thread about the wave also its true most new jeep owners have no clue about the wave. thats why I made the thread ARE YOU A JEEP OWNER OR JEEPER?
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:00 PM   #12
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I have only gotten a wave back from modified JK owners. All others are promptly placed in the soccer mom category.
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:09 PM   #13
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I have never gotten the finger from a Jeeper..I have however gotten the finger after initiating it when a jackass pulled out in front of me. Any one know the redneck rules of right of way??
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:19 PM   #14
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I pulled up alongside a JKU and gave a small wave. The other driver gave me a really dirty look and said something that I couldn't hear because his windows were up. Maybe he thought I was waving at his girlfriend.

(Perhaps because I really was waving at his girlfriend)
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:21 PM   #15
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I always got waved at in my TJ, now in the JKU I wave and people look shocked or heistate to wave back. I'm in a small town, they will learn that I wave and soon I'll have them trained to wave back.

The best is the looks I get when they realize it's a woman driving this big Orange beast
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:22 PM   #16
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I pulled up alongside a JKU and gave a small wave. The other driver gave me a really dirty look and said something that I couldn't hear because his windows were up. Maybe he thought I was waving at his girlfriend.

(Perhaps because I really was waving at his girlfriend)
The question is, did she wave back? If so he might have been saying something to her
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:18 PM   #18
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Barrie must be out partying tonight. Btw OP here's your wave..
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In Alaska (at least my experience) the only people who wavy back are tjs and older. The newer jeeps up here are a glorified mini van for the soccer moms and pompous soccer dads. I'm just saying. I still wavy at all the wranglers but that has been my experience.

That being said I was parked outside a motorcycle shop last night after dark and was hanging out friends (all on bikes) and I had 6 tj and cj jeeps stop, get out and saying hi. Never have I been part of a community so diverse and felt so welcome.
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