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Old 06-03-2014, 08:58 PM   #1
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Question Jeeps & Camper Trailers...

I traded in my 2dr, and bought a 4dr with 3.73's in hopes of having a small camping trailer one day. We are currently in the beginning stages of the buying process and doing our research.

I know that max tongue weight is 200lbs, and max tow weight is 3500lbs for the 4dr, but that doesn't necessarily mean its the end all, be all, is it? For instance, I found a trailer today that was appx 3200 lbs, but had a 268lb tongue weight. Does that mean I can't pull it?

So I have a few questions....

1. How far can you stretch the weight limits, and what devices are there that can help? Sway bars for example??
2. What are the things that I should consider, aside from weight, when I start shopping? Is it possible to put a trailer brake on the Jeep? Is it necessary?
3. What kind of mpg's should I be expecting? Am I looking at 10mpg or less?
4. Is length more limiting than weight? I'm only looking at a trailer around 15' or so. Something small.

And lastly, I know nothing of camper trailer manufacturers, or the brands of trailers out there, so what are your preferences? Any favorite brands? Pictures of your camper/Jeep?

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I think your rating for hitch weight is wrong. If you are setup for towing 3500# your hitch weight is going to be 10-15% of the overall weight. When I reviewed my owners manual for a 4 door 3.73 I'm set for 3500 towing and 350 hitch weight, my gut is that hasn't changed for your 2014.

Keep in mind the weight of your trailer plus how much you load in it. If you buy a trailer that weighs 3200# you will hit your maximum weight just by adding a few chairs, bread and stuff. 300# goes real fast.

There is also a frontage rule for the Jeeps, that's set at 32 sq ft for any trailer. That's pretty small, pop up's don't have much frontage area, but a standard travel trailer could exceed that and it will cause drag and be hard on the engine.

You will want/need to add a 7way wiring hardness and electric brake controller. Personally I wouldn't tow anything beyond a small utility trailer without brakes. Most states have a limit of 2,000# Texas sets that at 4,500# which to me is way way to high. I've had a trailer without brakes go crazy sway behind me on a bridge, was not fun and could have killed me.

Keep your length as short as you can. It just depends on the trailer. I hooked up a 23' trailer behind a brand new Chevy Trailblazer back in 2002 took one look at it and said no way, way to much trailer behind me. Sure the engine was probably fine with it but it was out of my safety zone. My old F150 Supercab wasn't as comfortable but was a lot safer.

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You can also change the tongue weight by shifting weight from front to back.
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You need trailer brakes and a weight distribution hitch with sway control. That will go a long way in controlling the trailer.

You also have to think about the weight of all your crap you will be taking with you. And fill up your tanks once you reach your destination. WATER IS HEAVY!!. And empty the tanks before you leave.

I tow this from my side yard to my drive and back. Once around the block also. I wouldn't want to drive it anywhere else.

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This is one of the ones we are wanting to look at.

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Honestly IMHO... no. That's a lot of trailer behind a Jeep that isn't really desinged to tow a lot. The base weight is 2,995 - the GVWR is over 4,000# It won't take much for you to quickly find yourself well over 3500# - personally I wouldn't do it.
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Maybe I should just trade the jeep in for a truck.
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Pulling the trailer isn't the problem. It is usually the stopping part. Plus if you get into an emergency panic type stop. Trailer brakes and sway hitches definitely help, but towing a camper and all your gear that exceeds your GVW limits, is asking for trouble.

IF you were to get into and accident and you were found to be over the limit of your load capacity, you could set yourself up for a lawsuit, insurance denying any claims, etc.
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PW - I've owned a number of trucks and RVs; pop up, travel trailer, Toy Hauler & Motorhome. I'm a moderator over on RV.net too, I say that just because I can't tell you how many go out and buy to much RV for their tow vehicle then they are forced to park it and dream or buy a truck. I freaking love my Jeep, but your choices for a safe trailer are limited. Have you thought about an older truck to use for trips?

Here is one RV I know a Jeep can tow, but pretty sure it's not what you're wanting. RunawayCampers.com - Home
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PW - I've owned a number of trucks and RVs; pop up, travel trailer, Toy Hauler & Motorhome. I'm a moderator over on RV.net too, I say that just because I can't tell you how many go out and buy to much RV for their tow vehicle then they are forced to park it and dream or buy a truck. I freaking love my Jeep, but your choices for a safe trailer are limited. Have you thought about an older truck to use for trips?

Here is one RV I know a Jeep can tow, but pretty sure it's not what you're wanting. RunawayCampers.com - Home

What about trailers like the 16' Casitas? Or the 19' aluminum Jaycos? Or those Tab or Rpod campers?

I'm looking for a bed, toilet, and A/c for weekend trips. Not a huge, all the amenities second home.
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The tabs are right at towing capacity for a 4 door. We just bought a T@G, which only weighs 900 but not toilet. It does have a/c.
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I would look at a pop-up. A lot of them have all the amenities and will be under your towing capacity. Hard side trailers will definitely be on the heavy side, unless you get fancy and go with an aluminum one, but they are still heavy.

For me and my family, we don't need a toilet or A/C, so we are looking at a tent trailer. More specifically a Jumping Jack, their new X4 to be exact. I want to be able to tow it behind my TJ and truck. We don't need anything more than an elevated bed and good cover from storms... it's not like we are going to be living inside of it for more than a few days at a time.

You really need to narrow your search down to your bare minimum requirements and go from there.
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We pull a Evolution trailer with our 4 door and with it fully loaded we are around 3300 pounds and the jeep does great. We use a brake controller and an equalizer hitch and I wouldn't try towing the trailer with out it.

With 35's on a 3" lift with 4:10's I pull the trailer all over Utah with no worries. We are considering upgrading the E2 to a Kodiak, r-pod, or something similar.
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What about trailers like the 16' Casitas? Or the 19' aluminum Jaycos? Or those Tab or Rpod campers?

I'm looking for a bed, toilet, and A/c for weekend trips. Not a huge, all the amenities second home.
I hear ya on your wants. That 2014 Jay Feather SLX 16XRB is within your weight range about 2500# dry gives you 1000# for gear and water. It will exceed the frontage, but weight limits are good.

We had a Jayco Kiwi 23D (before our Jeep days) great Hybrid trailer. The one I noted above saves a lot of weight because it doesn't have a slide. The big plus to Jayco units is they come with a 2 year warranty while most any other will only have a 1 year.
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What about trailers like the 16' Casitas? Or the 19' aluminum Jaycos? Or those Tab or Rpod campers?

I'm looking for a bed, toilet, and A/c for weekend trips. Not a huge, all the amenities second home.
You would be fine with a Casita or Scamp trailer. I'm pulling a 13' Scamp equivalent with my 2 dr, and it does just great.
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Bam!! We found our trailer.

Jayco Jayfeather X17A
http://www.jayco.com/products/travel...tra-lite/x17z/

2800lbs, 285lb tongue weight, and all the amenities. And it's 8' wide.

Looked at one today and if the stars align it'll be ours!
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that's a great trailer, we have one and just love it..
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Happy Camping!

Now bit more advice, having purchased 5 RVs over the years. The day you go to pick it up you're going to be excited, sort of like the day you got your Jeep/1st date/wedding day/birth of child. The dealer will want you 1st to sign all the paperwork then they will give you a brief show and tell walk though. At the point you sign the paperwork you own it, if there are problems they then have to work through the manufacturer to fix them under warranty. This takes time and approval process. So my suggestion is do a detailed PDI or Pre-Delivery Inspection BEFORE you sign for ownership. Why? Well 2 reasons. First off if it has problems you find them before you own it. Second if you tell the dealer you'll sign for it once its corrected they are highly motivated to get things fixed, fast. Trust me, been there done that learned my lesson.

Most first time RV buyers don't have a clue about what to look for. I see them all the time on RV.net asking for help after they own it. So the site below has a PDI sheet that will scare the daylights out of your dealer if you show it to them. Why? Because they know you are coming in as an educated buyer not the kid in the candy store that can't see the blemishes. So tell your dealer you want inspect your new trailer an hour or two before your scheduled walk-through/paperwork appointment.

You want to have power, and some water in the tanks. You can download this PDI from the link below. Not everything will apply, but inspecting each item is important. Remember you just made a sizable investment so its cheap insurance.
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Get a YJ/TJ for the traile and a WJ for road/towing duties
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Maybe I should just trade the jeep in for a truck.
Trucks really do make excellent tow rigs.

If towing the trailer is a key goal, then yes, selling the Jeep and getting a truck just might make sense. Even a half-ton pickup pulls trailers amazingly well. Go to a 3/4 ton or one-ton truck and they'll just flat impress.

That said, I'm kind of thinking about a little trailer my JK can pull....
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that's a great trailer, we have one and just love it..
Do you tow it with your Jeep?
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That said, I'm kind of thinking about a little trailer my JK can pull....


We've decided on the JayFeather 16XRB. Its the 7' wide version of the X17Z.

The 16XRB weighs 2500lbs, so its a little lighter, and not as wide.
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You'll like that 16XRB a lot more towing behind the Jeep. You may need to find a extension mirror so you can see better behind it while towing.

Plus that weight savings will make towing a lot more enjoyable in the long run.

There is a great product you may want to consider since you're in Texas. These are solar covers for the tent ends. They do a great job reflecting the heat off ends and helping to keep the cool air in, I assume you're getting one with AC. I had a set for our Popup and wish I'd had a say for our Jayco Kiwi.

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Happy Camping!

Now bit more advice, having purchased 5 RVs over the years. The day you go to pick it up you're going to be excited, sort of like the day you got your Jeep/1st date/wedding day/birth of child. The dealer will want you 1st to sign all the paperwork then they will give you a brief show and tell walk though. At the point you sign the paperwork you own it, if there are problems they then have to work through the manufacturer to fix them under warranty. This takes time and approval process. So my suggestion is do a detailed PDI or Pre-Delivery Inspection BEFORE you sign for ownership. Why? Well 2 reasons. First off if it has problems you find them before you own it. Second if you tell the dealer you'll sign for it once its corrected they are highly motivated to get things fixed, fast. Trust me, been there done that learned my lesson.

Most first time RV buyers don't have a clue about what to look for. I see them all the time on RV.net asking for help after they own it. So the site below has a PDI sheet that will scare the daylights out of your dealer if you show it to them. Why? Because they know you are coming in as an educated buyer not the kid in the candy store that can't see the blemishes. So tell your dealer you want inspect your new trailer an hour or two before your scheduled walk-through/paperwork appointment.

You want to have power, and some water in the tanks. You can download this PDI from the link below. Not everything will apply, but inspecting each item is important. Remember you just made a sizable investment so its cheap insurance.
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Y-Guy, very wise advice. It's amazing what dealerships will do for a buyer prior to sale, when you sign, it's yours. I honestly have had thoughts about a pulling a small teardrop camper behind our JK.
After much thought and the realization of how little use it would get I decided the 10-12k for a small camper would rent many beach or Mtn cabins per Spring, summer fall, as we would ever need. Not to be a buzz killer here, just another viewpoint. FWIW...
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Now bit more advice, having purchased 5 RVs over the years. The day you go to pick it up you're going to be excited, sort of like the day you got your Jeep/1st date/wedding day/birth of child. The dealer will want you 1st to sign all the paperwork then they will give you a brief show and tell walk though. At the point you sign the paperwork you own it, if there are problems they then have to work through the manufacturer to fix them under warranty. This takes time and approval process. So my suggestion is do a detailed PDI or Pre-Delivery Inspection BEFORE you sign for ownership. Why? Well 2 reasons. First off if it has problems you find them before you own it. Second if you tell the dealer you'll sign for it once its corrected they are highly motivated to get things fixed, fast. Trust me, been there done that learned my lesson.

Most first time RV buyers don't have a clue about what to look for. I see them all the time on RV.net asking for help after they own it. So the site below has a PDI sheet that will scare the daylights out of your dealer if you show it to them. Why? Because they know you are coming in as an educated buyer not the kid in the candy store that can't see the blemishes. So tell your dealer you want inspect your new trailer an hour or two before your scheduled walk-through/paperwork appointment.

You want to have power, and some water in the tanks. You can download this PDI from the link below. Not everything will apply, but inspecting each item is important. Remember you just made a sizable investment so its cheap insurance.
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Excellent and very wise advice. It's amazing what dealerships will do prior to sale, when you sign, it's yours.
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I tow it with a 2003 chevy 1500 with the 5.3 and it feels underpowered in the hills. My jeep with the lift and 37's wouldn't make a great tow rig.
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Let me know if you have a meet anywhere. I am from Norwalk and there are a few jeeps in town. there are a couple places to meet around here if you are interested.
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Maybe I should just trade the jeep in for a truck.
Now you're starting to get somewhere. You are trying to tow with the vehicle that should be towed. A truck can carry the camper, and tow the Jeep with more ease than the Jeep can tow a camper. Just something to think about. Here is my set up, ... Jeep goes on the trailer.



Something else to think about, if you are considering exceeding the tow ratings of your Jeep. If you get in an accident, and you are towing more than the rating of your vehicle, your insurance can refuse to pay for the accident.
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Hey, the Jeep can tow. You just got too much stuff.

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