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Old 09-07-2009, 10:20 PM   #31
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We'll let this friendly discussion carry on as long as everyone spells "Chrysler" correctly.
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Everyone calls them stealerships. But answer this question. What would you do if Chrysler would close their doors indefinetly?
This is why I made my point above that you need to be aware of what you are dealing with and don't let anybody take advantage of you. I'm not a mechanic but I can read a maintenance schedule and recommended service routine to know if they are steering me straight. Whenever they contradict the manual, I ask.

Nobody can buy a car from a company that doesn't exist, so you can't get away from this issue. If Chrysler goes out of business who will you buy your next Chrysler product from? Quite a conundrum!

When heading into a dealership for a new purchase, you shouldn't take the first deal that comes up. I always go to three or four dealers for their best deal on a particular make and model as closely matched as possible and have them state as much as possible. I go with the one who will work it down not one against another but just give me your best deal. Then I decide which will get my business. The last three cars plus the jeep came from the same family of dealerships (different manufacturers). Each time they did better than good against dealerships in the area.

I got decent deals on each given the time in which they were purchased. No regrets.

Find a dealer you like then make them sharpen their pencil.

Of course some folks will never be satisfied no matter what happens. Then it is not surprising that they end up dealing with a stealership.

One thing to remember, you are purchasing a new car at retail, not wholesale. If you are not in the car business, then they're going to make a profit from you. Try to limit that as much as possible. If you just can't stand it, then buy used and deal with a private sale... you're bound to turn up a deal somewhere but it is always going to be used and probably almost never exactly what you want.

If you can't do research on a sale and be made to feel that you did the best that you can do, then who is to blame for that?
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This is why I made my point above that you need to be aware of what you are dealing with and don't let anybody take advantage of you. I'm not a mechanic but I can read a maintenance schedule and recommended service routine to know if they are steering me straight. Whenever they contradict the manual, I ask.

Nobody can buy a car from a company that doesn't exist, so you can't get away from this issue. If Chrysler goes out of business who will you buy your next Chrysler product from? Quite a conundrum!

When heading into a dealership for a new purchase, you shouldn't take the first deal that comes up. I always go to three or four dealers for their best deal on a particular make and model as closely matched as possible and have them state as much as possible. I go with the one who will work it down not one against another but just give me your best deal. Then I decide which will get my business. The last three cars plus the jeep came from the same family of dealerships (different manufacturers). Each time they did better than good against dealerships in the area.

I got decent deals on each given the time in which they were purchased. No regrets.

Find a dealer you like then make them sharpen their pencil.

Of course some folks will never be satisfied no matter what happens. Then it is not surprising that they end up dealing with a stealership.

One thing to remember, you are purchasing a new car at retail, not wholesale. If you are not in the car business, then they're going to make a profit from you. Try to limit that as much as possible. If you just can't stand it, then buy used and deal with a private sale... you're bound to turn up a deal somewhere but it is always going to be used and probably almost never exactly what you want.

If you can't do research on a sale and be made to feel that you did the best that you can do, then who is to blame for that?
Finally! An inteligant person! If everybody were like this, we would have a society and not an anarchy.
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So because I distrust Dealerships I'm causing Anarchy? Explain this because I'm too stupid to understand. As far as I know in America at least, there is very little Anarchy.....

Am I a Nazi or a Anarchist?
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I disagree with your thread an every comment you've made.

So, am I a:

Nazi

Or an

Anarchist?

Just wondering...
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Finally! An inteligant person! If everybody were like this, we would have a society and not an anarchy.
They're just twisting your words to see if they can get your angst up to the next level.

They know that I'm right. Nobody can rip you off unless you let them. They know that.

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Cut out the name callin fella's. I don't care what your opinion is of an automotive dealership and while this conversation can have merit because No matter what any of you thinks no one opinion is right or wrong.

However you keep the childish name calling crap and one of us will close this down and hand out some timeouts. We've been noticing and increasingly more negative tone in some of the more controversial threads and we are going to reign it back into to constructive conversation.

And on topic any dealership is just as good as the people that own and are employed there. There are some great great salesmen/women and there are some awesome service writers that actually care about the clientelle they support. In these days those are the ones that get to stay in business. There are also some straight up shady and unrealistic people that work/own dealerships. Those are the ones that people more commonly refer to as "Stealerships". I'd bet MONEY that no one on this board or on any other recreation related web site can honestly say they've never had a bad experience with a business and talked about it in a negative manner. I don't care who you are and if you tell me any other way you'll be less than truthful.

Codeman what dealership do you work for in KC? I grew up there and know all of them intimately.
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For me it's about the cost of parts. I have never owned a vehicle that was still under warranty, let alone a new one.

I only go to the dealer for parts that are not available through the aftermarket.

Case in point; the roll over valve.

The white plastic valve almost never goes bad. Dealer price; $10.00.

The valves stupid little rubber connector; $35.00. Frequently dry rots & needs to be replaced.

Only available at the dealer, & way overpriced.

Do I appreciate being able to buy one from a dealer? Sure I do, without a good seal,
the back of my jeep was a fire hazard.

Do I like paying four times what it's worth, not really.

Why are parts so overpriced at dealerships? Because they know you'll pay extra for something you can't get anywhere else!

This goes for dealerships of all makes, I'm not singling out Jeep dealers.


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But the dealer is working within the guideline that Jeep themselve is giving. Anymore dealers are working with such tight profit margins, throw ins are hard to squeeze. Whenever the dealer says it's not a warranty issue, that's Jeeps guidelines not the dealers. Trust me, I have first hand insight in both Jeep and a tougher industry.
I understand tight profit margins, what I don't understand is why leaking rear axle seals don't fall into the list of authorized repairs on a "bumper to bumper warranty" on a stock vehicle. (and yes I did read all of the warranty details.) Can you explain why?
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Everyone calls them stealerships. But answer this question. What would you do if Chrysler would close their doors indefinetly?
Jeep is the bread and butter brand. It will be scooped up by another automaker if a liquidation were to occur.
I bought mine days after Chrysler filed bankruptcy. I got a great deal from the stealership.
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They're just twisting your words to see if they can get your angst up to the next level.

They know that I'm right. Nobody can rip you off unless you let them. They know that.

But this sure has been loads of fun. If I had a few beers, a portion of it would probably be on the screen now also. after beer on the screen:

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I know you're right. They're the ones that have let the dealer get over on them and just don't like to admit it. Which I hope the dealer always wins against them. If we were more like them, Obama wouldn't have had to write that check to the manufacturers! As for me, I'll just chill and do what hippies do!
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So let me see if I have this right. You believe it's alright to take advantage of somebody that isn't well educated on on particular product or service? If you go to a doctor and he tells you you need an operation for an affliction you don't actually have, this is acceptable?
If you go to get your computer repaired and the technician says the motherboard is bad when it isn't, the technician is justified because the customer isn't well versed in diagnosing computer problems?
Honor and integrity, some people have it, those that don't are called thieves.

I don't have a problem with a dealership negotiating (in good faith) the best deal they can get on the vehicle they're selling. Lying to a customer is not negotiating in good faith.
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I hate the games they play. I usually end up walking out 3-4times before I buy....sometimes for frustrations with the BS games, sometimes to hand out some frustration.

Their labor rates are horrendous, but really not any worse than some specialty shops I've encountered for the Lotus. I think many mechanics are crooks. I used to be a mechanic so I can say that.

Salesman are salesman. They are 1/2 scum 1/2 decent people trying to make a living. I search out the decent, unless I'm in a mood to screw with people, then I go find some scum to frustrate. (Drive up to virtually any dealership in a Lotus, and they will come out quickly....only issue is I look young, so they assume I'm a rich, dumb kid.)

I generally go there after hours to find what I want, then go back with what I think its worth, what my trade-in is worth, and have an idea of how much I'm willing to negotiate.

I get what I want, or I walk away. Its sad to see people getting screwed, but its their own fault. I've helped friends buy cars as I'm good at it...and I don't want my friends (esp. young females - which seem to be prime target) getting screwed over.

I'm a nerd. I research EVERYTHING. and I think that's been a great benefit to me.

This thread is useless and only cause for being posted was to start a riot.... but that's just me.

oh and a slight correction to your reference to the bailout. That's more due to the greed of the manufacturers employees (from bottom end assembly line workers who make more than many Doctors, to the fat cats at the top, who make more in a year then can be spent in a lifetime). If they weren't so damn greedy, they wouldn't need to be bailed out. I'd have rather watched them fall to their knees.
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They're the ones that have let the dealer get over on them and just don't like to admit it.
Not this time, it took a legal threat, but they did fix it under warranty.
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When you start to spout off about the collective intelligence of a group of people, ie the members here, I suggest you attempt to sound intelligent yourself and learn to spell.
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When you start to spout off about the collective intelligence of a group of people, ie the members here, I suggest you attempt to sound intelligent yourself and learn to spell.
You always told me I was inteligant. =(
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ok so we went from Nazis hippies and a general hate for the people who make ur very own beloved jeeps u ride around in and i agree with buckshot the parts prices can be outrageous but in the end u guys just need to let it be Chrysler is not going anywhere and if it does someone will grab up the jeep name so the thread is useless and in my opinion should be done
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When you start to spout off about the collective intelligence of a group of people, ie the members here, I suggest you attempt to sound intelligent yourself and learn to spell.
When you are on top, people will find any way possible to degrade you. Thanks for pointing out my typo!
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ok so we went from Nazis hippies and a general hate for the people who make ur very own beloved jeeps u ride around in and i agree with buckshot the parts prices can be outrageous but in the end u guys just need to let it be Chrysler is not going anywhere and if it does someone will grab up the jeep name so the thread is useless and in my opinion should be done
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When you are on top, people will find any way possible to degrade you. Thanks for pointing out my typo!
Actually, I'm one who doesn't use the "stealership" remark, just like I don't use the word "fauxnews", but your misspelling doesn't help your case and neither does your tone. As Jack so aptly stated, this is a fine topic for discussion, but the name calling isn't the way we like this board run. Alluding to those who disagree with you as being stupid is a worthless way to debate so you might want to rethink the way you approach the members here. Only without such remarks can this discussion start to become more constructive.

An open mind goes both ways and I'm reading experiences from both sides here. So, I'll remind everyone, keep the personal comments about people to yourself.
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Hey I seen this ad and had to say something. I bought a 05' Mitsubitshi Galent 2 years ago ok. I was 17 at the time. They got me for every penny they could. It was worth about 8-10 thousand. I paid 13,000. Me being a stupid 17 year old boy i didn't look it up or anything i just wanted to car. I know your going to say my fault but whatever. I got turned down by every bank there was but, those sneaky sales people got me approved, but the interest was ridiculous. I don't know so I owed ALOT of money for a car that wasn't that great. I asked them to replace the brakes before I got it becuase it was rusting and they said ok, and never did them. I waited 3 weeks from after I paid for it til wheni actually got it and they didn't do nothing to it. They try to squeeze every penny they can out of you. I don't care what you say.
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And everybody does try to squeeze every penny out of you when you buy something. Everybody is guilty of it. But anyways, I didn't think this would turn into this when I wrote this thread. I was just venting and created a mess. I think it best that the moderator just delete this. No good is coming of it. Nobody's mind is going to change if they don't want it to.
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ok i'll give u the benefit of the venting thing we all have done it at some point.and i know the dealerships are sometimes crooks, but theirs nothing u can do about it except try and not do business with them unless u have too. and if they squeeze, squeeze back get it in writing when they promise something. so if they screw u on it, threaten to take um to court for it that usually gets um moving.
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And everybody does try to squeeze every penny out of you when you buy something. Everybody is guilty of it.
No, not everyone does it. I used to own a business. I got into the business because I saw how much the vendors were overcharging people. I charged fair prices for quality products and did quite well. People appreciated my fair prices, recommended me to their friends and my business grew, because I didn't gouge people just because "everybody does it".

The only reason I don't still have the business is because I had my second child and 2 kids kept me pretty busy.

BTW, I'm a moderator and I don't see any reason to delete this thread. Like 1BLKJP and Tiny said, this is a valid discussion.
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We'll let this friendly discussion carry on as long as everyone spells "Chrysler" correctly.
The Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Pontiac dealer here in my town had huge banners made up that said "Pontaic." They were up for months.

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