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Old 03-30-2009, 04:57 PM   #1
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Arrow Let's talk: Spools

Who's running a spool? I'm just looking for general likes and dislikes at this point. Also, please say how much street and trail use you do.

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I dont like the idea of a completely locked diff. In many situations that would be not good.

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With your type of wheelin Scott, you'd be perfectly fine with a spool back there. On the street you won't like it. But at the same time you really don't put yours on the road too much.

The upside is they are cheap and strong as hell for the type of wheelin we like to do.
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Did you ever drive downhill on slippy ground with an activated rear locker? Thats not funny..
On rocks you wouldnt notice this disadvantage.

Try to turn around while backing up with a rear spool or activated locker. The turnig radius wll be much bigger than without that.
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With your type of wheelin Scott, you'd be perfectly fine with a spool back there. On the street you won't like it. But at the same time you really don't put yours on the road too much.

The upside is they are cheap and strong as hell for the type of wheelin we like to do.
Is it hard to setup? Surely it will mess up all the good work Joe did on my R&P.
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I ran a lincoln locker in my 8.8 back when. It was awesome for wheelin and you get used to it on the street. You just have to be careful with your shorter wheelbase. It will like to load up and lift tires around corners. But even that is fun.

The dana 44 spool will replace the case in your rear axle. So your gears will need to be set up again. Do you have any kind of locker in the rear?
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I ran a lincoln locker in my 8.8 back when. It was awesome for wheelin and you get used to it on the street. You just have to be careful with your shorter wheelbase. It will like to load up and lift tires around corners. But even that is fun.

The dana 44 spool will replace the case in your rear axle. So your gears will need to be set up again. Do you have any kind of locker in the rear?
Gear setup may be a problem for me. There's really no one in my part of the world I would trust to do it so anything involving that and that would require a trip of some sort.

Yes I have the OEM Rubi locker right now. I'm more than willing to replace it as long as it's an improvement.

FYI - I'm dealing with exploded spider gears right now so my options are pretty open.
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Is it hard to setup? Surely it will mess up all the good work Joe did on my R&P.
They aren't any harder to setup than any other carrier. They are lighter that's for sure. Odds are that pinion depth wouldn't change so they'd just have to re-do the backlash and carrier pre-load to get it good.

Nicolas you are absolutely correct about a spool or auto locker in climates like you have and wheel in. However for where Scout lives in Texas and where I live in Arizona we really don't have to worry about the abundance of wet, muddy, and snowy weather to wheel in.
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They aren't any harder to setup than any other carrier. They are lighter that's for sure. Odds are that pinion depth wouldn't change so they'd just have to re-do the backlash and carrier pre-load to get it good.

So you're saying it's harder than installing my rollbar grab handles? Shit.
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Gear setup may be a problem for me. There's really no one in my part of the world I would trust to do it so anything involving that and that would require a trip of some sort.

Yes I have the OEM Rubi locker right now. I'm more than willing to replace it as long as it's an improvement.

FYI - I'm dealing with exploded spider gears right now so my options are pretty open.
Did you explode the spider gears because of a heavy foot? Or just the tire size in general? If it were me, I'd weld that bitch up and go play. But those axles are worth their weight in gold most of the time. So it is a tough call.

Look at it this way, if you have to get rid of the axles you will be stuck replacing the spool or welded case regardless. I'd say it is even so I wouldn't spend the money on a spool, plus trip, plus gear setup cost. Weld it up.
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So you're saying it's harder than installing my rollbar grab handles? Shit.
Yeah, it's a little different than setting the pre-load on the grab handles.

So you blew up your rear Rubi Locker? Any thoughts on upgrading to 33 or 35 spline stuff for the rear?
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They aren't any harder to setup than any other carrier. They are lighter that's for sure. Odds are that pinion depth wouldn't change so they'd just have to re-do the backlash and carrier pre-load to get it good.
What about mini spools?? The install on one of those has got to be about 30-45 minutes or so, and so easy even scout could do it.
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What about mini spools?? The install on one of those has got to be about 30-45 minutes or so, and so easy even scout could do it.
Mini spools are straight from the devil.
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I've not used one so I don't know. Just a thought. They sound good in theory.
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I've not used one so I don't know. Just a thought.

If Scout is destroying spider gears he will go through a mini spool in no time. Usually those take out lots more when they go. Plus, for the cost, a little welding wire is cheaper.
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With a mini-spool you still need to have an open 44 carrier like you would with a lockright. So you still have to re-set the back lash and carrier pre-load. The main thing I've found about mini-spools is that you need to grind off some of the end of the shaft to get everything fit in the mini-spool correctly. We've had to do that on the last two we've messed with.
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If Scout is destroying spider gears he will go through a mini spool in no time. Usually those take out lots more when they go. Plus, for the cost, a little welding wire is cheaper.
You ever seen anyone weld up a rubi carrier?
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If Scout is destroying spider gears he will go through a mini spool in no time. Usually those take out lots more when they go. Plus, for the cost, a little welding wire is cheaper.

Ya, I guess you can't beat the price of a spool of wire. I'm just not a fan of welding up diffs. I don't know why.
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You ever seen anyone weld up a rubi carrier?
Nope. But if it is toast inside it can't get any worse. As long as each axle fits in the side gears with no problems then it won't be much different from any other case.
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Ya, I guess you can't beat the price of a spool of wire. I'm just not a fan of welding up diffs. I don't know why.
I'm going to weld my rockwells.
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Well realistically setting up a diff isn't difficult with the proper information. It's just time consuming and requires a few special tools. I mean if I can do it.....it can't be all that hard.
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Well realistically setting up a diff isn't difficult with the proper information. It's just time consuming and requires a few special tools. I mean if I can do it.....it can't be all that hard.
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I'm an idiot and I can do a gear install all on my own! (impressive cause I cant tie my shoes that way)

it's all about taking your time and learning to read your gear pattern. With the right tools and know how (i got from a dvd by the way) you can get it done.

All told I spent $75 on an inch lb wrench (dial style) $150 on a hydro press, $35 magnet mount dial gauge and some HUGE sockets.

I did my first on an old d35c from a YJ i had in the garage.
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Did you explode the spider gears because of a heavy foot? Or just the tire size in general? If it were me, I'd weld that bitch up and go play. But those axles are worth their weight in gold most of the time. So it is a tough call.

Look at it this way, if you have to get rid of the axles you will be stuck replacing the spool or welded case regardless. I'd say it is even so I wouldn't spend the money on a spool, plus trip, plus gear setup cost. Weld it up.
I wouldn't say I have a heavy foot but there have been times when I've gotten some wheel spin. I would say it's more the weight of the wheels and tires.

I'm not sure if I'm ready to weld up the spider gears just yet although I wouldn't completely rule anything out.

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Yeah, it's a little different than setting the pre-load on the grab handles.

So you blew up your rear Rubi Locker? Any thoughts on upgrading to 33 or 35 spline stuff for the rear?
I don't know if the locker is blown and I'm not 100% sure it's the spider gears. When we were leaving the trail on Saturday I had a lot of popping in the rear and the tires chattered when I turned. Everything was fine when going straight and that's what made me think it was the spider gears.

I'm going to pull the diff cover this week and see what falls out.
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Well it appears it wasn't spider gears. After some reading up on this I discovered that the TJ Rubicon actaully uses helical gears instead of spider gears. I guess you learn something new everyday!

Anyway, it was the rear locker that toasted and apparantly this isn't too uncommon for someone running an OEM locker and big ass tires (I actually wasn't too surpised that this happened). That being said, I'll give Absolute Offroad a call on Monday and get a spool ordered from Ryan. I know it's going to suck balls on the street but this thing is becoming more of a trailer queen these days anyway. Hopefully within the next year I'll be able to drop in some one ton axles as that's been on my short-list for some time now.

I'll post up after the spool is installed.
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are your iroks bias ply?
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No they're radials. Heavy radials...
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Who's running a spool? I'm just looking for general likes and dislikes at this point. Also, please say how much street and trail use you do.

Mkthnx.
I drove around with a spool in the back of my rig for several years it is my daily driver
I now have a detroit soft locker in the back and to me the detroit seems like a limited slip

you dont notice the spool while driving it doesnt have any querks like the detroit does with the locking and unlocking .
the only time you notice it is when you are making turns mostly the tight turns in parking lots it will churp the tires

I will drive with the spool rearend again

I do have to say those procomp xterrains I had lasted 25,000 miles with a spooled rearend
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I drove around with a spool in the back of my rig for several years it is my daily driver
I now have a detroit soft locker in the back and to me the detroit seems like a limited slip

you dont notice the spool while driving it doesnt have any querks like the detroit does with the locking and unlocking .
the only time you notice it is when you are making turns mostly the tight turns in parking lots it will churp the tires

I will drive with the spool rearend again

I do have to say those procomp xterrains I had lasted 25,000 miles with a spooled rearend
Thanks! It's good to know it won't be terrible on the street. I am looking forward to it on the trail.
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Thanks! It's good to know it won't be terrible on the street. I am looking forward to it on the trail.

its great on the trail its locked up no questions asked
just on the street you will feel it turning right or tight turns
a little more tire scub then my detroit but I didnt mind it
I drove my comanche with the spool for 3 years and my tj with a spool for
1 1/2 years
the only reason I have the detroit is because I got it for $100
same with the front OX locker I got that for $100 to
both used the last owners just wanted them gone
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The best was always at a gas station that put a smooth finish on their lot. That's when you wait until the last possible moment to pull into the parking spot. It makes one huge long tire peel! I had people yelling at me to slow down when I was just barely moving!

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