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Old 02-05-2013, 07:26 PM   #1
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Like or dislike synthetic winch line after using??

Well, I finally got a winch for my JK, (10k Engo). Thinking about going with the synthetic line. I was wondering what present users think of the synthetic line after using it for a while? Would you buy it again? Do you have confidence in it? Also, where can a guy get a good price on some good line?

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Old 02-06-2013, 09:52 PM   #2
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I bought a winch that came with a synthetic line. I've used it twice so far, not to get myself unstuck but to get friends unstuck and to use my Jeep as brakes when a friend lost his on the trail. I am confident in using my winch again and the rope holding no problem. I also like the safety factor of a synthetic line, it won't turn into a death whip it breaks and won't cut my hands apart if I hold on to it. All of the major 4x4 websites will sell winch lines.

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Old 02-07-2013, 11:47 AM   #3
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I can't think of any disadvantages to it at all. WAY better in all respects compared to conventional cables.
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I can't think of any disadvantages to it at all. WAY better in all respects compared to conventional cables.
Abrasion in rocky areas would be a downside. You'd want to use a guard or something for the line to rub on, instead of rubbing a rock.
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One of the user manuals for synthetic line stated in fine print that is should be replaced every year. That's a huge downside as far as I'm concerned.
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Abrasion in rocky areas would be a downside. You'd want to use a guard or something for the line to rub on, instead of rubbing a rock.
In reality, this probably wouldnt be good with a metal line either.
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One of the user manuals for synthetic line stated in fine print that is should be replaced every year. That's a huge downside as far as I'm concerned.
Links to this? I'd be interested to see it.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:35 AM   #8
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Links to this? I'd be interested to see it.
http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/sr...87970A0_rs.pdf

Page 3 Second warning block "Never use a rope if worn, damaged, abused,
overloaded, improperly maintained or over 1 year old."

and "Always replace rope every 12 months with P/N 87915."

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http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/sr...87970A0_rs.pdf

Page 3 Second warning block "Never use a rope if worn, damaged, abused,
overloaded, improperly maintained or over 1 year old."

and "Always replace rope every 12 months with P/N 87915."
Interesting. Id be curious what other companies such as amsteel or viking said about their lines and replacement. Seems like that may be one of those things they have to say to cover themselves.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:22 AM   #10
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Interesting. Id be curious what other companies such as amsteel or viking said about their lines and replacement. Seems like that may be one of those things they have to say to cover themselves.
I think you might be correct about that. If I remember correctly, there are some critical application rope requirements that OSHA says the same thing about...

That said, I think I will go synthetic...and probably un-spool regularly and inspect. I will also put a sunshield of some sort over it...
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:59 AM   #11
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I couldn't find the synthetic robe guidelines, but found the synthetic sling guidelines... Pretty similar as I remember, and either way interesting reading if you are like me and just gotta know...

Emphasis added by me...

"Effects of Environment

High radiation or chemically active environments can destroy the strength of synthetic web slings. Sling materials can be susceptible to caustics and acids. The manufacturer should be consulted before slings are used in chemically active environments. Radiation degrades synthetic material. Specific environmental limits are as follows:

Nylon and polyester slings shall not be used at temperatures in excess of 180°F.
Synthetic slings, including Kevlar,3 K-Spec,4 nylon, and polyester may be used in radiation areas only when the responsible person ensures that the absorbed dose shall not exceed 100,000 rad during the life of the sling.
Synthetic web slings that incorporate aluminum fittings shall not be used where fumes, vapors, sprays, mists, or liquids of caustics or acids are present.
Nylon web slings shall not be used where fumes, vapors, sprays, mists or liquids of acids or phenolics are present.
Polyester web slings shall not be used where fumes, vapors, sprays, mists, or liquids or caustics are present.
Synthetic web slings are not recommended where extensive exposure to sunlight or ultraviolet light is experienced.
Inspection

Initial inspection

Before any new or repaired synthetic web sling is used, it shall be inspected to ensure that the correct sling is being used as well as to determine that it has proper identification.

Frequent Inspection

This inspection should be made by the person handling the sling each day the sling is used.

Periodic Inspection

A periodic inspection shall be performed by a qualified inspector on a regular basis with frequency of inspection based on the following criteria:

frequency of sling use
severity of service conditions
nature of lifts being made
experience gained on the service life of slings used in similar circumstances.
The periodic inspection shall be made at least annually and shall be documented by any one of the following methods:

Marking a serial number on the sling and maintaining inspection records by serial numbers.
Instituting a comprehensive marking program (such as color coding) to indicate when the next periodic inspection is required.
Marking each sling with a tag that shows when the next periodic inspection is required. This tag becomes the record.
Removal Criteria

Synthetic web slings shall be removed from service if damage such as the following is visible:

acid, phenolic, or caustic attack
melting or charring on any part of the sling
holes, tears, cuts, or snags
broken or worn stitching in load-bearing splices
excessive abrasive wear
knots in any part of the sling
excessive pitting or corrosion, or cracked, distorted or broken fittings
other visible indications that cause doubt as to the strength of the sling, such as loss of color that may indicate the potential for ultraviolet light damage.
If a synthetic sling located in a radiation area approaches its radiation exposure limit (100,000 rad during the life of the sling), it shall be removed from service.

Repairs

Synthetic web slings shall be repaired only by a sling manufacturer or a qualified repair agent. When repaired, a sling shall be permanently marked to identify the repair agent.

Temporary repairs of either webbing, fittings, or stitching shall not be permitted.

A repaired sling shall be proof tested to two times its assigned rated load before being put back into service."
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http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/sr...87970A0_rs.pdf

Page 3 Second warning block "Never use a rope if worn, damaged, abused,
overloaded, improperly maintained or over 1 year old."

and "Always replace rope every 12 months with P/N 87915."
Sounds like something the lawyers put in....
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If you want the true scoop on synthetic lines without any sugar coating, I'd shoot Jerry Bransford a message and ask him. He uses synthetic and probably winches more than 99% of the people on this board.
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Also spend the extra money and get a winch cover if going synthetic. They are like $25.
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After about 20 pulls, my synthetic is stating to look a little worn. When it comes time to finally replace it, I am stepping up to a shorter 3/8" or maybe 1/2" with a separate extension. The rope guards are a must have, but typically shred after one contact with a rock or tree.

If you are going with synthetic, be sure to learn how to splice. It is super easy and will enable you to fix the line on the trail should the need arise.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:33 AM   #16
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If you have deep pockets the Superline is probably the toughest one out there. No need to worry about UV or any of that stuff.

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