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Old 01-20-2012, 01:30 AM   #31
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As of now, you probably already know that a Ford 8.8 has posi traction.... would it be okay to run the rig that way with a powertrax in the front and leave it like that until e-lockers?
Oh Yeah.. Just keep it out of 4wd on snowy roads

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Old 01-26-2012, 12:06 PM   #32
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Oh Yeah.. Just keep it out of 4wd on snowy roads
What happens then? One of my buddies told me when he's locked in snow, it kind of goes wherever it wants, but what actually happens on the ground?

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What happens then? One of my buddies told me when he's locked in snow, it kind of goes wherever it wants, but what actually happens on the ground?
When the roads get icy here in Colorado, it is not uncommon to see more 4x4's in the ditch than cars. I believe in many cases it is because they activated their 4 wheel drive. (Don't get me wrong, 4x4 is usually better than 2x4 as long as you understand how to use the tool)

When hard, smooth surfaces get slick, it is the rolling traction of your tires on the ice or snow that keeps your vehicle in control. So, if a driver in a passenger car that has power only to one wheel, makes a mistake, ie. over accelerates or simply lets off the gas, which causes engine braking to that one wheel, that wheel will lose rolling traction. Luckily, the other 3 tires contiue to have traction, thus enableing the driver to maintain control.
Most of the time the driver is unaware that he lost traction for a moment with that one wheel.

The same driver, same situation in a 4x4 now has at least two wheels w/o rolling traction. His chances of losing control under this scenerio are 2 fold.

Add lockers to the equasion, & he ends up in the ditch almost every time.

When I'm off camber, climbing slick stuff, I'll dissengage the rear locker so the other tire maintains traction in the event of a spin-out.

Best cookies I ever did in my life were in my Jeep, in a snow covered dirt lot, 2WD rear locked.

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Old 01-29-2012, 03:52 PM   #34
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Great info. I appreciate it. I think I'm just going to install an Eaton in the front and keep the posi in the back because I don't have many opportunities to wheel. Should I upgrade the shafts or just keep the 27 splines?
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Old 01-29-2012, 05:30 PM   #35
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Great info. I appreciate it. I think I'm just going to install an Eaton in the front and keep the posi in the back because I don't have many opportunities to wheel. Should I upgrade the shafts or just keep the 27 splines?
what size tire will u be running?
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:21 PM   #36
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what size tire will u be running?
33x1250. Nothing huge.
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33x1250. Nothing huge.

You'll be fine with the 27 spline axles. Especially with no wheeling oppurtunities.
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Yeah your good for locking up your Dana 30 with only running 33's
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Sweet. I found someone selling TJ 44s but I'm not sure if he would separate them. So I'm wondering if I should just keep the HP30 and lock it.
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The YJ HPD30 is damn near as strong as a TJ D44. Install a Super 30 kit and I'd definitely say it is.

Wouldn't bother with swapping the fronts unless you're going to one tons.
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The YJ HPD30 is damn near as strong as a TJ D44. Install a Super 30 kit and I'd definitely say it is.

Wouldn't bother with swapping the fronts unless you're going to one tons.
Thank you very much. I'll have to look into that.
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Wow, the kits I've already searched comes with a locker. I'll have to look into this.
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The YJ HPD30 is damn near as strong as a TJ D44. Install a Super 30 kit and I'd definitely say it is.

Wouldn't bother with swapping the fronts unless you're going to one tons.
If the HP in the YJ is anything like what they used to put in cherokees, Id say they are in the same category as a TJ D44. The only difference between a TJ D44 and a TJ D30 is the size of the ring and pinion...which typically isnt the first thing to go on you when it comes to these axles. The front 44 isnt really any big deal, if it was, more TJ guys would probably decide to swap it in rather than swapping in the cherokee HP30 which is a pretty popular swap.
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The HPD30 in the YJs is the same as the XJs except for the CAD. Other than that they're pretty much identical. There is some arguing over the strength of the CAD housing-to-tube connection, but as far as the shaft, ring, pinion, hub, knuckle, etc. go they're all the same.
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Getting the case ready for the new ARB. Having the spreader made a huge difference in putting the carrier in and out while shiming. I rented the tool for 20 bucks
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My D30 has 30spline molly shafts Eton E locker and 4.56 gears running 37's. Ive pounded that front end on rocks and its not had one hic up. Im adding a Stak 4x4 3 speed mini monster tcase. Im not sure if the D30 size R&P can handle the 5.22:1 low range.
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Is it necessary to have locking hubs with lockers?
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I have an ARB in the rear and love it. I would love to have one in the front, but I can't afford it right now. So, I am going with a Aussie or Spartan up front with Superior shafts. I have already re-geared the Jeep last year so a lunchbox locker up front makes sense for me.
My brother put a Spartan in the front and it was horrible. Very loud and didn't steer for shisnit.
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is it necessary to have locking hubs with lockers?
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No its not, I would suggest removing the CAD and putting in a stright shaft.
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My brother put a Spartan in the front and it was horrible. Very loud and didn't steer for shisnit.
I read that the teeth are a little bigger than Powertrax Lockright. So I can imagine why the noise level is so high. Did he drive in 4WD on the street a lot?
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It does click when in tight turns I have it on a Dana 30 and it seems ok. On a tight hard right turn it seems to bind up somewhere if giving the throttle. I could imagine its causing torque load on the locker and wanting to lock up. Any ideas on this?
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No its not, I would suggest removing the CAD and putting in a stright shaft.
Could I just pull a shaft from an HP D30 xj and put it in?
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It does click when in tight turns I have it on a Dana 30 and it seems ok. On a tight hard right turn it seems to bind up somewhere if giving the throttle. I could imagine its causing torque load on the locker and wanting to lock up. Any ideas on this?
If you in 2wd and the auto locker is up front you should only notice a chirp here and there when turning.. other then that it should be like it's never there
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I read that the teeth are a little bigger than Powertrax Lockright. So I can imagine why the noise level is so high. Did he drive in 4WD on the street a lot?
Not at all. That was in two wheel drive.
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Could I just pull a shaft from an HP D30 xj and put it in?
Yes you can, you will also need the inner axle seal from the same year you pull the shaft out.
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Yes, I only have issues when in 4wd. My TJ has the turning radius of a 4 door JK when I am in 4wd because of this. If I had an ARB up front, things would be so much easier. On the right trails, it feels like I have a bulldozer blade instead of front wheels.
Yep. Last weekend while wheeling on tight terrain I unlocked the front (ARB front/rear... LOVE them) several times in order to accommodate a smaller turning radius. I'd have been pretty frustrated with an auto locker in front.
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I rarely use mine, I like the challenge of doing trails open. Almost did the whole Rubicon Trail unlocked. Had to lock up the rear twice, never used the front.
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Well I started wanting an OBA system so I installed a York Compressor and tank. This type of OBA takes up NO space in the jeep and no tanks to keep getting refilled. When I decided to get a rear locker the ARB was the answer, since I all ready had air and I wanted a selectable locker it was a no brainer. After having it in for 2 years I wanted a front ARB. They have been in for a few years now with ZERO problems.


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