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Old 09-09-2012, 11:38 PM   #1
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Looking to buy a Welder

So im starting to look into buying a welder a little more seriously and open up my options for what i can do/make with/for my jeep. I've done arc welding but i think i want to get a Mig because they're a little more versatile and can do thinner metals. so from you welders out there what welder would you recomend for me? i'm trying to stay around $500 dollars, so looking for a used one most likely. i'd love to hear any advice you'd have for a welding noob.

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a used welder would be alright as long as you are not buying some one elses problems just like buying a used car..most inexpensive welders have a short duty cycle..usually 10-20 %..this means that it is recommended to use it that percentage of time..example:20 % would mean that you should be actually welding 2 minutes out of every 10..this is not a problem for the average do it yourselfer but in my welding business I needed welders with 100% duty cycles so they could be operated non stop all day long.. also,I would buy a name brand welder such as miller,hobart,lincoln,etc. so that replacement parts would be available locally..mig is great for most auto applications

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I have been using a Lincoln Electric ProCore 100 from Lowe's--and using it hard--for about 6 years and I love it. No problems at all, and it was less than $500 new.

Now this wire feed welder uses flux core wire instead of a separate bottle of shielding gas, and on thin metals, a little experience helps to not burn through. True MIGs with shielding gas perform a bit better in this regard. The ProCore can do a nice job though, and also has the ability to be upgraded with a Lincoln shielding gas kit to make it a true MIG. I find flux core to be satisfactory for my purposes as long as I use a wire brush to brush off the flux residue between passes.

It is also, in my experience, better on windy days outdoors where the wind tends to blow away shielding gas unless the wind is well blocked, so I have never chosen to get the sheilding gas kit. If I do that sometime, I will also get the appropriate wire feed liner for aluminum wire at the same time so I can weld aluminum with it. Currently, I use a stick welder for aluminum or just braze it.
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I have been using a Lincoln Electric ProCore 100 from Lowe's--and using it hard--for about 6 years and I love it. No problems at all, and it was less than $500 new.

Now this wire feed welder uses flux core wire instead of a separate bottle of shielding gas, and on thin metals, a little experience helps to not burn through. True MIGs with shielding gas perform a bit better in this regard. The ProCore can do a nice job though, and also has the ability to be upgraded with a Lincoln shielding gas kit to make it a true MIG. I find flux core to be satisfactory for my purposes as long as I use a wire brush to brush off the flux residue between passes.

It is also, in my experience, better on windy days outdoors where the wind tends to blow away shielding gas unless the wind is well blocked, so I have never chosen to get the sheilding gas kit. If I do that sometime, I will also get the appropriate wire feed liner for aluminum wire at the same time so I can weld aluminum with it. Currently, I use a stick welder for aluminum or just braze it.
one of the great things about flux core is that you don't have that gas shield blocking your vision on small items or in tight places..plus you don't have to buy gas or deal with the tank
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Thanks for the advice, also would like to add that i would like to be able to do cage's, bumpers, etc as well as sheet metal.
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I was a Certified Welder for several years. I agree that you would be happier with a new Brand name welder. My personal preference is Lincoln for Stick Welding and Miller for TIG and MIG. I've been real happy with my little Millermatic for several years now. You can weld some pretty thin wall stuff if you're careful and I've make some nice welds on Schedule 40 Pipe as well. I can't remember what I paid for it, it's been several years. Good Luck.
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Thanks for the advice, also would like to add that i would like to be able to do cage's, bumpers, etc as well as sheet metal.
a small mig such as a millermatic 140 will weld up to 3/16" steel but will do a really good job on anything 1/8" or thinner...if you want to weld thicker then you might want to step up to a little bigger welder...In my opinion other than the different dials on the control panel there is not a nickels worth of difference in miller,hobart and lincoln.I have been welding 40 years,ran my own shop for nearly 20 and taught welding for 4 years..practice is what will make the difference..HEY GUYS..VOTE FOR JEEP OF THE MONTH IN THE COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENT SECTION
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Thanks again for the advice! So what about when it comes down to the ratings, i know they're the power of the device but how does that apply to what i can weld?
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Just found this, pretty helpful in explaining MIG welders

The Perfect Welder - Jp Magazine
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one of the great things about flux core is that you don't have that gas shield blocking your vision on small items or in tight places..plus you don't have to buy gas or deal with the tank
Yeah, there is that. It can be hard to MIG inside a 90 degree corner with some tips. I wasn't sure if I would like flux core, having learned on TIG and done miles of sheet metal with MIG in industrial/commercial work, but I do like the flux core and have done body work with it. I still keep a couple AC/DC stick welders around though.
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Yeah, there is that. It can be hard to MIG inside a 90 degree corner with some tips. I wasn't sure if I would like flux core, having learned on TIG and done miles of sheet metal with MIG in industrial/commercial work, but I do like the flux core and have done body work with it. I still keep a couple AC/DC stick welders around though.
yes sir,I love my dc welder and some 7018 rods...most of my business in my shop was fabing and repairing farm equipment and for that nothing beats a good stick welder...as far as the welder ratings for migs..they will have their recommended limits usually on them
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I am no expert, but I picked up a used Lincoln 220v welder that was practically new. I think I paid $350 for it and at the time it was over $600 at Lowes. A cheap harbor freaight cart and bottle of gas later, I had a pretty nice set up. I've built all kinds of shit with it and I couldn't be happier. I just don't think you can go wrong with a Lincoln or Miller.

ETA.....right after I bought it, I tore up the wand where it plugs into the welder. It was not repairable and completely my fault. I got ahold of a Lincoln rep who immediately shiped one out to me at no charge. I bought it used, tore it up myself(I was completely honest about that) and they still covered it under warranty. BIG thumbs up to Lincoln's customer service They went above and beyond for me.

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