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Old 01-17-2012, 06:45 PM   #1
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Manual Vs. Auto trans

Interested in opinions on the auto vs. manual choice. 'm looking for a used TJ, Likely a 6 cyl but can't quite decide on which tranny. My first thought is auto for simplicity but I may want to tow the thing up to camp behind my Dodge P/U. Can I tow a Jeep flat with a auto trans?
Also, I'm always interested in chatting with anyone close to Lenawee County in Michigan as I'm new to the area.
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I grew up in lenawee county manitou beach to be exact. I live on Livingston now,but hopefully I can help you out with any questions you may have. I prefer a manual there more fun to drive that and my wife can't drive a stick so my seat is always where I left it and my gas gauge is always on full.

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Interested in opinions on the auto vs. manual choice. 'm looking for a used TJ, Likely a 6 cyl but can't quite decide on which tranny. My first thought is auto for simplicity but I may want to tow the thing up to camp behind my Dodge P/U. Can I tow a Jeep flat with a auto trans?
Also, I'm always interested in chatting with anyone close to Lenawee County in Michigan as I'm new to the area.
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OP, do you know how to drive a manual transmission?

If so, have you driven one enough to know if you like driving manual?
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:30 PM   #5
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Oh yeah. I've had more than a few sports cars over the years and drove a number of military vehicles with manual trans. I'm leaning toward the manual after some consideration. More versatile and easier to tow behind my truck if I feel the need. Requires a bit more finesse off road though.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:34 PM   #6
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Thanks Brad. Where is Livingston? How far from Adrian?
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Old 01-18-2012, 06:51 AM   #7
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I'm in south Lyon just north of Ann arbor. I'm not sure how far I'm from Adrian I'd have to say 70 miles at least.
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I wouldn't go back to an automatic until I have to (i.e. can't shift anymore). I've been driving manuals near exclusively (except when I had to rent/borrow a vehicle) since I was 16 and I don't see any reason for an automatic.
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:50 AM   #9
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Interested in opinions on the auto vs. manual choice.
It's all personal preference. You'll have people beating their chest telling you every conceivable reason for why X transmission is the best, but ultimately what you use your Jeep for will dictate what you want. Fortunately for you this topic is beat to death, so there is plenty of reading material:

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Also, I'm always interested in chatting with anyone close to Lenawee County in Michigan as I'm new to the area.
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:55 AM   #10
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not a Jeep owner yet, but I have driven stick shift vehicles almost exclusively for the last 30 years.

automatics are more convient, they think for you, & keep wear off your knee, yes my knee hurts from all the years of sticks & racing clutches & high pressure, pressure plates, & I refuse to drive automatics, they usually reduce gas mileage, but not by a lot, 1 to 3 depending on vehicle, very small cars, maybe 10 or more mpg, for example the old Chevy Sprint witht he 3 cylinder, 38mpg with automatic, 50+ with stick shift, except for turbo models which was 42 to 45 which were only availabe with a stick shift.

as a rule a manual gives you more control & feness? if I spelled that right, if you dont abuse, a maunal normally last longer, when clutch starts slipping, normally you can get a vehicle home, when an auto goes out, your sitting right there, & never know when.

a stick shift is easier on the brakes, as you have engine compression braking, so you dont have to ride the brakes, most automatics will gain speed going downhill & cause you to ride the brakes. also alot of automatics may not shift when you want them to shift. my wifes truck shifts at too low of an rpm on mountains, & hits 3rd, & then she has to mash gas pedal to engage passing gear to make it down shift to second to stop from almost bogging engine. I know I should be able to adjust modulator, but she doesnt want me to touch it, it shifts fine for her everywhere except on mountains, & she doesnt want different shift points anywhere else, while a manual your in the gear you want when you want.

a interesting tidbit, most people do not know, or realize, driving a stickshift like I do, it is harder on rod bearings & rods, as it puts pressure on non oil side of bearing, & will cause slight stretching of rods over time, & during a rebuild I suggest replacing rods either with new, or used from an automatic vehicle. the compression braking is making the rods pull while they are designed to be pushed by the piston, once upon a time I did some bearing mods, but wasnt impressed, & just leave them as they came, as rods are normally wiped hard at direct bottom of the cap, & I tried small grooves, X's, & slots, but most of the time I still managed 150,xxx to 200,xxx miles on them so gave up.

as for towing, not sure on jeeps, but on many automatic equiped vehicles you SHOULD remove driveshaft from rear differential, & plug trans so it doesnt leak. on 60's & 70s when you towed them, the manual trans wasnt lubricated, & part of the main shaft was spinning & didnt turn the gears whiich throws the oil & lubricates, so it was recomended to crank them every 50 to 100 or so miles, I saw several shafts burnished "welded" together from heat from lack of lubrication from being towed, one of which was a mercury comet, remember them.

I was heavy into mechanics from very early 80's to mid to late 90's on all old cars.but dropped out, because I despise the computer mess, my main vehicle is carbed even today, but I dont mind the very early electronics, but hate later, newer obdII stuff.

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Thanks for all the info. Looks like an automatic can be towed flat. Who knew??
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:17 PM   #12
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With the transfer case in neutral, you should be able to tow either.

A connecting rod won't strech unless you exceed it's yield strength. Google plastic deformation versus elastic deformation. Material science was my prior profession.
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Old 01-19-2012, 12:51 AM   #13
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Easy..
manual + man pedal = mans jeep..
automatic - man pedal = girls jeep.....


Lol im only kidding.. i wish mine was an auto.. lifted with big tires on road with a manual makes a jeep no fun..
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:02 PM   #14
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manual for sure. theyre actually a lot more safe because you have to pay attention to your driving instead of texting
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:02 PM   #15
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I grew up in lenawee county manitou beach to be exact. I live on Livingston now,but hopefully I can help you out with any questions you may have. I prefer a manual there more fun to drive that and my wife can't drive a stick so my seat is always where I left it and my gas gauge is always on full.
yeah way more fun to drive than a auto. and you are so righht about the wife thing lmfao!!! thats why i love my manual!
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Old 05-30-2012, 08:53 AM   #16
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I always hear that it is personal preference....but does that fact that the Auto is a 3 speed and the manual is a 5 speed make a difference....seems like the auto would be more sluggish becuase of this?
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It's mostly personal preference. I was talking to my dad about it. He drove manual vehicles his whole life, including in his profession. He said the best thing he ever did was to buy an automatic, because after driving a big truck all day, he was happy to be able to relax more when driving home.

Meanwhile, my man is super happy to have gone back to a manual trans. He loves having more control over the vehicle. He feels more connected.

Me, I will go automatic. I don't enjoy driving stick. It doesn't engage me any more or less than automatic. It just tires me out and doesn't let me drive in the comfortable ways that I prefer to drive in an automatic.
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As said before, it's all about personal preference. Which are you more comfortable with? Get that one, end of story.

To flat tow either an auto or manual, put the transfer case in neutral and the auto in park, or the manual in neutral.

Either one wheels fine, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. You'll get used to whichever one you decide to get, and it won't be an issue for long.
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No difference becuase of 3 speeds vs. 5 speeds?
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No difference becuase of 3 speeds vs. 5 speeds?
The three speed is very desirable, especially if you'll be off-roading your Jeep where an auto makes a big difference. The newer Jeeps had an auto transmission with a 4th gear overdrive, and yet people still like the 3 speed 32RH better.
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Old 05-31-2012, 09:39 AM   #21
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Biggest difference between the two? Get into mud that is up to your rocker panel then press the clutch in to go into reverse.

As for fuel milage, I get the same in this 99 that is an auto that I did on my 03 rubi that was a manual. The rubi was stock, my current 99, well, check out my Jeep profile....
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Old 05-31-2012, 09:54 AM   #22
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I have had both, my '04 was a 5-spd and my "new" '03 is a 4-spd auto. I like them both, so I guess it boils down to personal preference. The only way I could say pick one over the other is if one tranny had habitual problems, but I think they are both made reasonably solid. If your Jeep spends 90% of the time in town and 10% out in the wild, AND you commute to work in it, then the Auto is kinda nice.

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