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Old 07-30-2011, 10:24 PM   #1
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Manual vs. automatic?

Another quick question for you guys...
Again, still in the market for a jeep, and wondering.
Do I get a manual transmission or automatic transmission?
I've been planning on getting a manual transmission. (I still have to learn but I was thinking of getting a manual since most jeeps are).
But if I come across a deal that's too good to pass up (and i've come across a few good deals), is it worth getting an automatic? or is it better to get a manual?
I've heard that off-roading is better for manuals, but not sure. also, it's true that manual transmissions are lighter and so get better gas mileage right?

As always, help is much appreciated. Thanks guys!!

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I have a 1990 YJ auto. I originally wanted a manual but got a good deal on this auto (and the fiance wanted auto so she could drive it ). To be honest, I see no difference between manual and auto off-road. There are advantages and dis-advantages to both. The only reason I regret my decision is the auto in the 1990 YJs was a 3 speed so gas mileage isnt as good as it could be with a 5 speed manual.

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it really boils down to personal preference. if you like it, then get it. as far as off road advantage, it depends on what kind of terrain you wheel in.
personally, i would try to avoid manual in a jeep, but that is because i deal with a lot of stop and go traffic, and constantly working a clutch is that is a PITA
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I prefer manual in everything I drive. Don't like power windows or power locks either.

In my opinion, manuals are better for snow and I use the transmission to slow me down on steep hills. Also, when in 4lo, I usually start out in third gear -- don't know how I'd do that in an automatic.
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You should getta manual tranny for your first jeep--better mileage, more"gut" control and easy push starts--

Automatic trannys are for old people that are tired of changing clutchs and don't care about gas mileage !!

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I prefer manual in everything I drive. Don't like power windows or power locks either.

In my opinion, manuals are better for snow and I use the transmission to slow me down on steep hills. Also, when in 4lo, I usually start out in third gear -- don't know how I'd do that in an automatic.
most automatics have the ability to let you choose what gear you want to be in.

EDIT: at least they do with 1st and 2nd, ive never tried doing somehting in 3rd on any vehicle ive owned
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simple, you put it in third gear.
Do auto's start in the gear you put it in? All the ones I've ever driven start out in first and shift until they get to the gear it's in.
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Id go for manual, having more control is always better. Like stated above for offroading it depends on terrain. I would always choose a manual but that being said my friends grandpa has a stock automautic sahara and it made it up the mountain just as well as my lifted jeep (though i did have to pull him out... twice...)
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Do auto's start in the gear you put it in? All the ones I've ever driven start out in first and shift until they get to the gear it's in.
i can start in both 1st and 2nd in my current rig, im not sure about 3rd though, i have no need to do it, so i have not looked into it.
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Buy what you want, because both work fine and you won't save any real amount of gas with a manual over a slushbox.

Personally, the close-ratio gearing of the manual transmissions that Jeep has offered since 1980 doesn't appeal to me. I've owned them, and found that even with "proper" axle gearing they ate clutches at an annoying rate with the amount of >GVWR towing I do. A 3-speed auto with a big trans cooler has worked great on-road, off-road, and towing, for the past 112k miles.
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Id go for manual, having more control is always better. Like stated above for offroading it depends on terrain. I would always choose a manual but that being said my friends grandpa has a stock automautic sahara and it made it up the mountain just as well as my lifted jeep (though i did have to pull him out... twice...)
when it come to major rocks, auto has the advantage. you get 2 identical jeeps, one with an auto, and one with a manual, and the same driver for both, the auto will do a little better. not saying manual cant do rocks well, it definitely can, just auto has a bit of an edge over it. just like how manual has an edge over auto in water(or at least it did back when it was just the 5 speed manual and the 3 speed auto in tjs)
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In my opinion, manuals are better for snow and I use the transmission to slow me down on steep hills. Also, when in 4lo, I usually start out in third gear -- don't know how I'd do that in an automatic.
Yea I've been thinking that learning to drive stick is a good thing anyways...and I would love to have more gear control for driving in snow

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You should getta manual tranny for your first jeep--better mileage, more"gut" control and easy push starts
Yea I was thinking that the gear control would be nice

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most automatics have the ability to let you choose what gear you want to be in.

EDIT: at least they do with 1st and 2nd, ive never tried doing somehting in 3rd on any vehicle ive owned
My parents have an automatic 06 pathfinder with 1, 2, and 3rd gear. i actually tend to use 3rd a lot. Especially when making trips to Tahoe to go snowboarding

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when it come to major rocks, auto has the advantage. you get 2 identical jeeps, one with an auto, and one with a manual, and the same driver for both, the auto will do a little better. not saying manual cant do rocks well, it definitely can, just auto has a bit of an edge over it. just like how manual has an edge over auto in water(or at least it did back when it was just the 5 speed manual and the 3 speed auto in tjs)
Well thats good to know, so thanks. Most of my offroading will consist of mudding and making some trips to Sedona (and probably a few to Moab now that I know i'm not too far).
Can you explain what gives the advantage for each?
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the 3 sp auto TJ handles larger tires better with the stock gears, so if you are looking to run 31s-33s and stick with stock gears for a while this may be a good choice. I enjoy the auto offroad, lots of perks, but there are some things I wish I had a manual for. I get very good MPGs with my auto for my setup. otherwise its really no big deal.
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Another quick question for you guys...
Again, still in the market for a jeep, and wondering.
Do I get a manual transmission or automatic transmission?
I've been planning on getting a manual transmission. (I still have to learn but I was thinking of getting a manual since most jeeps are).
But if I come across a deal that's too good to pass up (and i've come across a few good deals), is it worth getting an automatic? or is it better to get a manual?
I've heard that off-roading is better for manuals, but not sure. also, it's true that manual transmissions are lighter and so get better gas mileage right?

As always, help is much appreciated. Thanks guys!!
I have a auto transmission, and although I like it because its really predictable and I know when its going to shift every time, id trade it for a manual anyday. I got my automatic before I knew how to work one but now that I know how easy it is I defiantly shouldve gotten the manual
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I prefer a manual but automatics have their advantages. The biggest, IMO, is snow. My work vehicle is an Explorer, with an automatic, and it gets abused in the winter running up WV mountains and through some wild snow drifts. Going up is fine, coming back down is the thing. I just personally feel more comfortable putting it in 1st and 4lo while going down a steep hill than I do with a manual.

Other than that I prefer a manual. So much more enjoyable to drive IMO. It's lovely to have something productive to do with both hands.
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Auto tranny's are like the shift indicator light, stupid. Being in control of the transmission and when it will shift is a big deal especially if its slick out. That is why 95% of tractor trailers out there are standards except for the rookie drivers who cant manage the vehicle speed and engine rpm's. So unless your old, or disabled, stick with a manual.
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It depends on what type of driving you do too. If you live in an area with lots of traffic I would get an automatic. My manual just gets annoying.

Manual transmissions are more durable and last longer in the Jeeps. The downside is you need to change your clutch. My last clutch lasted 125,000 miles and it still had some meat left.

Automatic transmissions do not last as long as the manuals- Generally. Some do. Some don't.

Also if you're a multi tasker behind the wheel getting a manual is pretty annoying.
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It depends on what type of driving you do too. If you live in an area with lots of traffic I would get an automatic. My manual just gets annoying.
This sums it up nicely.
I have to travel through a large city to get to my wheeling destinations. It is not unusual to get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for long periods.
This is when a clutch gets to be a PITA.
If it wasn't for city traffic, I would have bought manual.
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Thanks for the info. Ordering a 2012 Wrangler Unlimited this week. (My first wrangler) Still can't decide on the auto or manual....I don't usually drive in a lot of traffic and currently have an auto Liberty but everything before it has been a manual. Does the manual effect the resale value on a wrangler? I'm still torn on what to get.
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Well thanks for all the input guys! I'm pretty sure i'll be going with a manual tans now
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As far as resale value, that is really a moot point. The auto will bring in a slightly higher "book" value as it is an option that usually ads cost to the vehicle. However for someone like me who would rather have a manual....
For me, I like the idea that for a few hundred bucks I can buy a new clutch. You cant touch an auto with 200 bucks....
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What would be cool would be an auto that could be put in a manual valve body mode. Where it would only shift when you wanted it to. I noticed the new trans has a + and - by it. I wonder how much control it gives you?
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I can pick any of my 1/2/3 gears at will and ESPECIALLY in 4lo--very quick/sharp/no delay !!

Now the new 4sp auto would be that much better, but !

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What would be cool would be an auto that could be put in a manual valve body mode.
If that's what you want, just go ahead and install a manual valve body in your Jeep's transmission. I had a (reverse pattern) manual valve body in my former drag race Caravan, and I loved it. It was a Cheetah Competition valve body, made by Turbo Action.

If you decide to do this, make sure you do your research. The Competition valve body I used had no engine braking in first gear--while this is an important safety feature at the drag strip, it would be a serious drawback for four wheeling. Their Pro Street Manual, on the other hand, does offer full engine braking in all gears (and also retains the standard shift pattern).

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What would be cool would be an auto that could be put in a manual valve body mode. Where it would only shift when you wanted it to. I noticed the new trans has a + and - by it. I wonder how much control it gives you?
My grandma has a new lexus with that +/- thing by the drive gear. (it's called triptronic I believe). It has gears 1-7, and actually allows for quite a bit of control. I like it a lot
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Yea I've been thinking that learning to drive stick is a good thing anyways...and I would love to have more gear control for driving in snow

And it's a lot more fun, plain and simple. If you get tired of shifting, just learn to shift without the clutch pedal, though I have heard from a Jeep mechanic not to do it for wear/damage to your gear teeth in the gearbox, even if you do it right.

Since this is a relevant thread, I'd thought to ask while I'm at it. When shifting from a standstill, does the Jeep normally take off on its own without the gas pedal being used without lurching in 1st gear, or do you provide just enough gas to get it going? I've always given it a bit of gas to get it moving from a standstill, and I don't know if that requirement changed from 25 years ago.
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Mine '02 TJ will go on its own, in 1st gear, with no gas at a stoplight, assuming level pavement. I just have to slowly let the clutch out. I haven't noticed it lurching.

I often start in 2nd, though, and it does require some gas.

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Auto tranny's are like the shift indicator light, stupid. Being in control of the transmission and when it will shift is a big deal especially if its slick out. That is why 95% of tractor trailers out there are standards except for the rookie drivers who cant manage the vehicle speed and engine rpm's. So unless your old, or disabled, stick with a manual.
The OP is asking for constructive opinions on autos and manuals...and your post is hardly constructive. In fact, it would seem like you're just itching for a fight.

This is what a constructive opinion looks like:

I've owned both transmissions in a Jeep. The manual was fun to drive, but since I'm into rock crawling, the auto wins...hands down.
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I've owned both transmissions in a Jeep. The manual was fun to drive, but since I'm into rock crawling, the auto wins...hands down.
Now I've heard that off roading would be better for manual, because you would have more control. Are you saying that auto gives you enough control? because I'd love to have a manual, but if i find an amazing deal on an auto, i wouldnt wanna pass it up to find a manual when an auto will do it just as well.
For the record, my offroad terrain will be mudding, as well as Sedona trails, as well as a trip or two to Moab

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