more suspension questions - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > General Tech Forums > General Jeep Discussion

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 04-25-2008, 09:50 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16
more suspension questions

I've read many threads on lift kits but still confused. I won't wheeling as much as I would like, but still would want a good ride for both on and off road. I own an 01 Sahara 5spd.

Where can I find some VERY GENERAL info on kits? I've read the "knowledge" section on Quadratec.com. I'm basically trying to figure out BL vs. SL, although I hear of a popular combo of 1'' BL and 2''SL

as you can all tell I'm a madd newB and in dire need of more info!

thanks in advance

j cal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-25-2008, 10:12 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
debruins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Needham Ma, Rangeley ME in the summer
Posts: 5,578
Send a message via AIM to debruins
well i would suggest to you to get a 1"BL and 2"suspension lift
the 1" BL is what is most accepted any more will look and, and could make it more possible for the body to rip off the frame, here i would suggest the 1.25" JKS BL lift

then there's the question of 2"BB, or new coils that are 2 inches longer than stock, this decision is made on how bad ur ride is now, (if your coils are sagged etc.) and how much money you have. You should get new shocks regardless of which one though. Either way will take the same exact amount of time to put it on, and both give you 2" of lift although if your springs have sagged you wont be 2" over stock, just lifted 2" from where you are now (with BB).

then either 32" tires or 33", my suggestion would be 33's since ull have about 3.25-3.5 inch of lift if you go with new springs, and about 3-3.25" if u go with a BB

debruins is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 12:37 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16
thanks for your reply...

So lets say I grab the, rubicon express 3.5'' standard lift kit;

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16300_401.htm

Is that a suspension lift? body lift? both? again, I'm still not fully understanding the terminology...

I see the difference between that standard kit, and the super flex kit (control arms...)

If I went along with either of these kits, would I still need to do a BL?

sorry, please be patient with me...I AM using the search feature =)
j cal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 12:44 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
debruins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Needham Ma, Rangeley ME in the summer
Posts: 5,578
Send a message via AIM to debruins
haha no its fine,
that lift is a suspension lift, a suspension lift means that it is lifted between the axle and the frame, so either longer coils, or spacers on top
a body lift means spacers are put between the frame and the body

that RE lift kit is one of the best "cheaper" suspension lift kits out there, id suggest buying it either at www.northridge4x4.com, or somewhere besides Q-tec, Q-tec is expensive and the shipping is A TON, its free at northridge.

that kit will give you all you'll need if you want to run 33's, you wont need a BL, however you will need a T-Case drop if its not included in the kit, because that much lift will throw off the angle of the driveshaft
debruins is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 12:48 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
nregas1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: over yonder...in Tejas
Posts: 857
Send a message via Yahoo to nregas1
The RE kit you mentioned is a pretty significant jump from what debruins outlined for you which could be done for less than $350. The RE is around $575 (w/o shocks) and often requires addl mods costing several hundred more. BUT, RE is a great kit and great direction if you think you may want to eventually go any bigger than the 3"+ (combined) body and coil pucks. But being a newb, the BL and coil spacers are a good starting point and work just fine if your current coils are in good shape/low miles.
__________________

04 Sahara, with a lift, some stuff, and a few things, on some 33's, blah, blah, blah.
A perpetual work in progress. Too much to list, not nearly enough to matter.
My RigRater Score: 387RRv1.0 with a BOA of 18.92 (and just how exactly is this going to help me over that big arse rock?)
http://www.myjeepsite.com/nregas1

Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
~ Ernest Hemingway
nregas1 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 12:48 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
debruins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Needham Ma, Rangeley ME in the summer
Posts: 5,578
Send a message via AIM to debruins
oh and i forgot you will need either wheel spacers, new wheels, or change how far you can turn the wheels,
this is b/c the bigger tires are also wider, so when u turn the wheel all the way one way or the other it will hit the control arms, to stop this you need to move the wheels out, (either by spacers or new wheels with less BS), or make it so you cant turn the wheels as much.

the second of those options is the cheapest, free, just turn a bolt, but then you cant turn as far, or the more expensive option new wheels, or spacers, if you do get new wheels you'll want 3.75 backspacing, and u could get away with 4.0, but 3.75 is better
debruins is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 01:19 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16
thanks guys!

debruins; I will be getting a new wheel/tire setup for off road use. So i'll keep an eye on on the backspacing deal when I get down to getting new wheels. Also, it does look like theres a transfer case lowering kit in the RE kits.



Quote:
Originally Posted by nregas1 View Post
The RE kit you mentioned is a pretty significant jump from what debruins outlined for you which could be done for less than $350. The RE is around $575 (w/o shocks) and often requires addl mods costing several hundred more. BUT, RE is a great kit and great direction if you think you may want to eventually go any bigger than the 3"+ (combined) body and coil pucks. But being a newb, the BL and coil spacers are a good starting point and work just fine if your current coils are in good shape/low miles.

I'm usually one who does major research before diving into it, and purchase quality the first time

Nregas; What additional mods would I need? I've read that if I wanted to go up to 35+, I'd need to regear right? Is that what you're referring to?

Neither of the RE standard/super flex kits come with shocks. Is that a non-necessity with a lift like this? when would it be needed? 5'' lifts? Will aftermarket shocks provide a better overall ride with longer travel?

I'm running the dana 44 rear but not sure what the gearing is, haven't looked at the tag yet (just drove it home from florida, to chicago, a couple days ago.)


http://www.wranglerforum.com/tj-jeep...sed-17564.html
j cal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 01:35 PM   #8
Jeeper
 
nregas1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: over yonder...in Tejas
Posts: 857
Send a message via Yahoo to nregas1
Longer shocks will be needed for any amount of lift over 1" IMO. Most budget boost kits will include them but most mid level coil kits do not. A SYE and CV drive shaft is ideal. A tcase drop might get you by but every TJ is different. Some say it isn't needed, and others say it was a must for them. It's one of those things you might not know until the lift is complete and you find out the tcase drop didn't resolve the driveline vibes. Then a MML might remedy it from there. (keep in mind this is primarily specific to the RE 3.5 which most will say rides closer to 4-4.25"). Going with a SYE/DS upgrade you'll not have to mess with either of those and is the ideal setup. You're gearing is likely 3.73 so you can get by with 33's but will be a little sluggish. Here's a good thread about that combo: http://www.wranglerforum.com/tj-jeep...3-s-17376.html
__________________

04 Sahara, with a lift, some stuff, and a few things, on some 33's, blah, blah, blah.
A perpetual work in progress. Too much to list, not nearly enough to matter.
My RigRater Score: 387RRv1.0 with a BOA of 18.92 (and just how exactly is this going to help me over that big arse rock?)
http://www.myjeepsite.com/nregas1

Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
~ Ernest Hemingway
nregas1 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 01:43 PM   #9
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16
Slip Yoke Eliminator, Constant Velocity drive shaft. Whats an MML?
j cal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 01:43 PM   #10
Jeeper
 
nregas1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: over yonder...in Tejas
Posts: 857
Send a message via Yahoo to nregas1
motor mount lift. it helps to reduce the rear driveline angle a tiny bit.

and yes, quality A/M shocks are dramatically better than the stockers and will allow proper travel.
__________________

04 Sahara, with a lift, some stuff, and a few things, on some 33's, blah, blah, blah.
A perpetual work in progress. Too much to list, not nearly enough to matter.
My RigRater Score: 387RRv1.0 with a BOA of 18.92 (and just how exactly is this going to help me over that big arse rock?)
http://www.myjeepsite.com/nregas1

Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
~ Ernest Hemingway
nregas1 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 01:54 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
debruins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Needham Ma, Rangeley ME in the summer
Posts: 5,578
Send a message via AIM to debruins
you wont need to regear till ur over 35's if you have the manual and the 6Cyl, at least i find i dont.
debruins is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-26-2008, 01:56 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
nregas1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: over yonder...in Tejas
Posts: 857
Send a message via Yahoo to nregas1
Quote:
Originally Posted by debruins View Post
you wont need to regear till ur over 35's if you have the manual and the 6Cyl, at least i find i dont.
Exactly my point. That's why I linked that other thread. Some do, some don't. I think it sucks and I have a set of 4.56's in the garage waiting for install.
__________________

04 Sahara, with a lift, some stuff, and a few things, on some 33's, blah, blah, blah.
A perpetual work in progress. Too much to list, not nearly enough to matter.
My RigRater Score: 387RRv1.0 with a BOA of 18.92 (and just how exactly is this going to help me over that big arse rock?)
http://www.myjeepsite.com/nregas1

Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
~ Ernest Hemingway
nregas1 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-28-2008, 10:47 AM   #13
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16
Okay, well I think I've come to the conclusion of running a 2'' BB and maybe an extra 1'' BL. If I ever to go offroad it wouldn't be too extreme (for now, as it being my daily driver). How would this setup be for trails/mudding?
j cal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-28-2008, 11:56 AM   #14
MoA
Jeeper
 
MoA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: kokomo indiana
Posts: 2,927
it will be better than stock but not as good as the RE 3.5 kit you were wanting..

i recommend this:

2'' RE bb with monotube shocks.. (this will lift your frame 2'' higher than what you got now which gives you some clearance)

1.25'' jks body lift with 1'' motor mount lift (1.25'' bl, 1'' mml) the motor mount lift will take care of any vibes you'll get from the 2'' bb, also it will keep you from cutting the radiator shroud that you will have to do with the body lift without the mml..

you'll have 3.25'' of lift, and can fit 33s if you want too.. but you will need rims with 3.75'' backspacing to be able to do a full turn with no rubbing..

you can get by with a 32x10.5'' tire on the setup on stock rims too..

the monotube shocks will give you the best ride for your rig since its a dd
__________________
99 sahara :: 2'' coils (front), jks acos f&r, jks front trackbar, jks bl/mml, RE monotube shocks, hp30/d44, 33'' procomp mts, 15x8 eagle alloy 187s, hella optilux fogs, raingler nets, & more random junk::

06 charger r/t :: 5.7l hemi w/ flipstick, tinted windows, leather heated seats, 2 kenwood 12s =D my new baby ::
MoA is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-28-2008, 12:35 PM   #15
Nerf gun assassin

WF Supporting Member
::WF Administrator::
 
distortedtj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: yep right there.
Posts: 21,258
Send a message via Yahoo to distortedtj
here's just some reference for you.....2''bb puck and JKS 1.25 bl w/1'' mml. 33x12.50r15's. if i did it again and i am here shortly i'd go with atleast a 3'' supension lift. Just my opion just what i like is all. this setup works on road but not so good for me off road at all.



oh and if i were to flex out with the 33's on this setup i would rip my finders off. reason im upgrading to a sup. lift
distortedtj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-28-2008, 12:57 PM   #16
MoA
Jeeper
 
MoA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: kokomo indiana
Posts: 2,927
its not tooo bad



thats with 2'' coils, 1'' bb up front, and 1.25'' jks bl and 33s
__________________
99 sahara :: 2'' coils (front), jks acos f&r, jks front trackbar, jks bl/mml, RE monotube shocks, hp30/d44, 33'' procomp mts, 15x8 eagle alloy 187s, hella optilux fogs, raingler nets, & more random junk::

06 charger r/t :: 5.7l hemi w/ flipstick, tinted windows, leather heated seats, 2 kenwood 12s =D my new baby ::
MoA is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-28-2008, 01:04 PM   #17
Nerf gun assassin

WF Supporting Member
::WF Administrator::
 
distortedtj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: yep right there.
Posts: 21,258
Send a message via Yahoo to distortedtj
MOA thats 4.25inch of lift though......mine only 2'' pucks and 1.25 bl. 3.25'' lift with sagging springs

it's nice to know i have a twin on the forum
distortedtj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-28-2008, 01:07 PM   #18
MoA
Jeeper
 
MoA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: kokomo indiana
Posts: 2,927
its not 4.25 lol

the procomp front coils only gave me a tad over 1'' of lift.. with the 1'' bb i got around 2''

i ended up replacing the 1'' bb with the jks acos because i was tired of trying to balance out the front and the rear..

right now im running about 4'' with 2'', jks acos, and my bl

and if you replace your coils.. you'd be a little suprised =p

hi twin =p

oh i recommend NEVER buying the procomp 2'' coil/shock kit.. the rear coils lift your jeep 2'' and the fronts lift it like an 1''.. by the time i was done installing it.. my front was 3'' lower than the rear
__________________
99 sahara :: 2'' coils (front), jks acos f&r, jks front trackbar, jks bl/mml, RE monotube shocks, hp30/d44, 33'' procomp mts, 15x8 eagle alloy 187s, hella optilux fogs, raingler nets, & more random junk::

06 charger r/t :: 5.7l hemi w/ flipstick, tinted windows, leather heated seats, 2 kenwood 12s =D my new baby ::
MoA is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-29-2008, 03:41 AM   #19
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 16
wow, i'm up pretty late doing some research

Okay, so now I'm thinking of going with a 2'' RE BB Monotube shocks, 1.25'' JKS BL, and 1" MML

Not necessarily ordering from here, but just figuring out some prices...

http://www.redrock4x4.com/shop/products/1824.html

(around $600)

OR

an OME Wrangler Kit ($659)

http://www.dpgoffroad.com/TJ_LJ_OME_Kits.htm

The OME seems like a more solid suspension upgrade (with the coils) and more all around drivability.

can anyone chime in on the fitment of 32's on either? Are there any other modifications I need to plan on for the OME? (SYE, CV?).

What seems like a better foundation between them to start my setup?
j cal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-29-2008, 08:20 AM   #20
MoA
Jeeper
 
MoA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: kokomo indiana
Posts: 2,927
DPG also sells RE products.. dirk is a pretty cool guy too.. ive seen the RE kit elsewhere for cheaper than that too.. give him a call and see what kind of deal he can give you

as far as the ome kit.. its a far better kit than the bb.. and with the jks bl and mml.. you can fit 33s with ease

remember.. if you want to go bigger later, you can always throw longer coils on your bb, or throw a bb on your ome coils..

if you got the money, the ome kit would be great, you wont need a sye, the bl and mml should get rid of any vibes you might need.. a guy in my jeep club runs the ome lift alone with 32s and has plenty of room to go bigger if he added the bl

__________________
99 sahara :: 2'' coils (front), jks acos f&r, jks front trackbar, jks bl/mml, RE monotube shocks, hp30/d44, 33'' procomp mts, 15x8 eagle alloy 187s, hella optilux fogs, raingler nets, & more random junk::

06 charger r/t :: 5.7l hemi w/ flipstick, tinted windows, leather heated seats, 2 kenwood 12s =D my new baby ::
MoA is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-29-2008, 08:49 AM   #21
Jeeper
 
nregas1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: over yonder...in Tejas
Posts: 857
Send a message via Yahoo to nregas1
Quote:
Originally Posted by j cal View Post

an OME Wrangler Kit ($659)

http://www.dpgoffroad.com/TJ_LJ_OME_Kits.htm

The OME seems like a more solid suspension upgrade (with the coils) and more all around drivability.

can anyone chime in on the fitment of 32's on either? Are there any other modifications I need to plan on for the OME? (SYE, CV?).

What seems like a better foundation between them to start my setup?
OME would be the better choice for the money IMO. Based on the prices you listed above, no brainer. And you're dealing with coil lift instead of spacers. Would definitely still do the 1"BL though.

It's doubtful you'll need SYE sitting at 2". If you do get vibes (your results may vary), anything from a few washers up to the 1" tcase drop will likely be all you need; or do the MML when you do the BL.

Also check the true OD of the 33's you're looking at. Most are closer to 32" than the stated 33. Most mfg specs will list this or a tire shop can provide. Not hard to find with a little googling.

__________________

04 Sahara, with a lift, some stuff, and a few things, on some 33's, blah, blah, blah.
A perpetual work in progress. Too much to list, not nearly enough to matter.
My RigRater Score: 387RRv1.0 with a BOA of 18.92 (and just how exactly is this going to help me over that big arse rock?)
http://www.myjeepsite.com/nregas1

Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.
~ Ernest Hemingway
nregas1 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Potential TJ owner has questions 4WheelinNoob TJ General Discussion Forum 8 07-14-2008 03:33 PM
Dumb suspension questions. White93ARB YJ General Discussion Forum 6 02-11-2008 09:53 AM
Suspension Bolts Keep Backing off.. EnigmaMan TJ Tech Forum 15 01-21-2008 04:02 PM
suspension questions rebelBullDawg325 General Jeep Discussion 3 07-22-2007 02:43 AM
couple of questions on suspension mrbigjeep TJ Tech Forum 15 05-16-2006 09:06 PM


logo carid shop wrangler parts carid fender flares custom wheels store avs deflectors at carid
» Rates
Get low rates on auto insurance in Canada!

» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:47 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC