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Old 06-03-2008, 09:20 PM   #1
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My dads hybrid Wrangler(s)!

My dad was on the news the other day. He converted his 2 Jeeps into half-hydrogen powered engines. He even converted his 350 Chevy to hydrogen!


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Old 06-03-2008, 09:26 PM   #2
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iv seen web sites on how to do this and wasnt sure if it would work i really want to try it now

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Old 06-03-2008, 09:28 PM   #3
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Dang dude, your dad is a smart guy. How much did it run him to do a conversion like this? Thats pretty neat and it seems like a great way to offset the cost of gas if it isnt to expensive to do. Either way, thats sweet!
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:38 PM   #4
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Nice. Could he post the details on that setup?
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:58 PM   #5
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Yea, I'm interested in that too also why did he not go 100% H ? They do it in Iceland as well as many city buses and public service vehicles. I wonder if it would work with both so you could switch between the two.. The problem is I can't find enough info on it.
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Old 06-03-2008, 10:04 PM   #6
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I'll have him make an account and post up the specs on it. It's pretty interesting.
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Congrats....very interesting. Your father looks younger & me, so. that tells me you're what....6 maybe 7, Kidding..Im just old.
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Tell him to package it and patent it, hell be a millionaire next year
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:02 PM   #9
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That is top notch! Way to go Daddy Eaton!
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Old 06-04-2008, 01:34 AM   #10
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very cool!

on a sidenote I'll change my avatar
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:09 AM   #12
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:36 AM   #13
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if I get 22 mpg ill sel my commuter.. please post a diagram.
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:15 AM   #14
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Specs...need to see specs....

Hat's off to your father.

Has he had any issues off-roading it?
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its very old technogoly. www.water4gas.com
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22mpg.... I think its worth a try. 4.27 a gal for gas is getting a little old. Anyone know where I could find some info on running a 100% hydrogen system?
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22mpg.... I think its worth a try. 4.27 a gal for gas is getting a little old. Anyone know where I could find some info on running a 100% hydrogen system?
Running the hydrogen is not the issue, $5,000 for a carbon tank is one issue, the other is the cost of extracting H from water, then storing it, putting in a staged compressor system similar to scuba tanks where you increase pressure with each stage. I spent 5 hours last nite reading once I got to the first link where they converted a NEW las vegas built 427 Shelby Cobra roadster to hydrogen to set the land speed record for a H powered vehicle [130+mph], they were working on 135...
I actually understand how to do it and I could probably build a home Hydrogen fueling station but it would be expensive and I don't think I could get it to a liquid state, the cryo would be way too expensive though it would allow you to store more. It takes about 33Kw to extract a gallon of Hydrogen from water using the electric method, it would take alot of solar cells. This is just off the top of my head but I'm going to learn more. Injectors are available too for pure hydrogen, you just have to watch for pre igniton, it could get really ugly..
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very cool!

on a sidenote I'll change my avatar
I thought it was you that posted this and was like "WTF?!"
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I thought it was you that posted this and was like "WTF?!"
uhh no
sir have you been drinking tonight?
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that is very cool, way to go. we want more info.
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as the 100% hydrogen goes, its pretty simple to set up. You retard the timing since hydrogen fires way way faster than gasoline. You remove the throttle body so nothing is stopping it and run a hydrogen nozzle to each cylinder (injectors). The best of all is hydrogen does not need to be pure like with the hydrogen fuel cell so it can be much cheaper. As for cooling hydrogen,.. you need to get it down to ~3Kelvin to get it to be liquid state and then it will be a very freaky freaky thing as it can pass through some matter such as cups.

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oh btw hydrogen tank costs about 800 bucks not 5k
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if you remove the TB how do you control the air intake (air/fuel mix)
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you remove the tb, you put as much air as you can. You control it with the hydrogen. Sort of like leaning it out however hydrogen does not have the bad affect you get with gasoline by leaning it out.

watch those videos.. the first are boring if you know how an engine works but at about 4th one it starts getting interesting (out of class room)... end of the 4th one he shows HIS motor run on hydrogen... later he explains other things of making one too.









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not that that isn't cool, but tis more practical the thing his dad did, and Im really interested in that b/c i wanna do it, any infor u can get Keat would be GREAT all the places want like $50 just to get the plans on how to do it yourself
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i rather give the 50 bucks to your dad for this thing. Do you have any more pics?
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oh btw hydrogen tank costs about 800 bucks not 5k
Price of the tanks is based on size, the cobra they did carried enough hydrogen to power that 427 for 5-7 minutes, big tank too, the article I read was $5k-$30k DEPENDING on size. I know on the sub we stored it at 5,000psi inside flasks outside the pressure hull in the ballast tanks. The H was a byproduct of the O2 generators that we used for O2 supplies from distilled water.
That apparently is one of the issues with hydrogen fuel station infrastructure, ever see a hydrogen delivery truck from a company like air products ? they are made up of a dozen long cylinders like a round pack of cigarettes, you can't just dump it in a big tanker truck, there's a reason I just don't remember it from my reading the other nite.
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i assume safety is the reason of using many? One tank.. one big boom, many tanks... less chance of them all exploding or being damaged in an accident.


Above in video 6 or soemthing i posted the guy is talking about the tanks...
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i assume safety is the reason of using many? One tank.. one big boom, many tanks... less chance of them all exploding or being damaged in an accident.


Above in video 6 or soemthing i posted the guy is talking about the tanks...
The gas needs to be compressed to over 2400psi to transport as a gas, as a liquid it needs to kept at -423F. It takes 3.58 gallons of liquid hydrogen to equal 1 gallon of gasoline. From everything I have been learning I think that you won't see fully hydrogen fueled vehicles outside cities for a very long time. I'm still very interested in it and think it will be part of our future energy, I also like the idea of it being used as a supplement in a normal gas engine. I wonder how that liquid state compares to LPG, I just don't know enough yet.
Here is an interesting laymans read
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/yago103.html

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