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Old 06-26-2007, 08:37 PM   #1
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need advice please! wtb wrangler

Hey guys, i'm new to the forum as of today actually. i've always liked jeeps and am just now seriously starting to look for a wrangler. I found a 97 today at a dealer in the mechanicsburg, PA area that i like. its a 4cyl/5speed/seems to be in decent shape/92,xxx miles (seemingly no options). was getting dark so i didnt really get to inspect under the hood/undercarriage much at all but we test drove it and it seems to run well. they're asking $7,495 and offered me 2,000 for my 86 suburban. i told them we'd do 6,000 for the jeep w/ 2k for the burb and they said same price on jeep w/ 2,500 on the burb was the best they could do. does this sound reasonable? i'd really appreciate any advice either way, thanks so much guys!

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Walk away. That's too much for that jeep. A 97 4 banger in PA is not worth 7500. You would probably do better to sell your surburban privately. They aren't going to give you diddly for it at a dealer. Especially now with gas prices as they are and burbs chugging it down.

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Walk away. That's too much for that jeep. A 97 4 banger in PA is not worth 7500. You would probably do better to sell your surburban privately. They aren't going to give you diddly for it at a dealer. Especially now with gas prices as they are and burbs chugging it down.

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thanks for the advice! i know thats a little steep for that jeep... we're still negotiating. i was actually pleased with their $2,500 for the burb though since i only paid 2,700 for it and it runs kinda rough. i've bought/sold a very similar suburban before and i only got 1,700 for it. what do you think WOULD be a good deal on it? also, do you know of a decent mechanic in the harrisburg area? i recently found out that mine doesnt know what hes talking about all too much. AND wheres a good place to look for a nice wrangler? im assuming i should stay away from jeep dealers... they seem kinda inflated. when i bought my liberty a year or so ago i test drove it to the jeep dealer to see if they could give me a better deal than the lot i got it from, and they basically said no. i'm thinking now that we're at 2,500 for the burb and 7,500 for the jeep, if they'll take off 500 on the jeep it seems like a decent deal (comparatively from KBB.com w/the burb and jeep) and that would save me 1,000 from what they were asking. thanks again!
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I hate to break the bad news to you but you're Suburban isn't worth anywhere near $ 2500. You still have to remember that your Suburban is over 20 years old. Basically what they're doing is what is called an "over allowance" on your trade. They're probably only giving you somewhere between $ 500 and $ 1000 for the Suburban and taking whatever they're discounting the Jeep and adding it to the price of your trade. Either way they do it the trade difference stays the same.

Example: You pay them $ 7500 for the Jeep and they give you $ 2500 for the Suburban. The difference between the two is $ 5000.

Same thing happens if they sell you the Jeep for $ 5500 and give you $ 500 for the Suburban - the trade difference stays the same. It's still $ 5000.

They probably suspect you're more concerned about how much you get for your trade than what you pay for the Jeep that's why you're seeing them over allow rather than discount.

Here's how you get the dealer: Ask them how much they'll give you for your Suburban - CASH without buying they're car. You'll quickly find out what you're Suburban is really worth, to them.

Now that I said all of that, I'm actually going to agree with D2B2 and say that $ 7500 is a lot of money for a 10 year old Jeep. I'd look around a little bit and be patient. When you're buying a car the worst thing you can do is let your emotions dictate your actions. That's when you screw yourself.

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$7500 is a lot for a 10yr old jeep with a 4cyl....

Deffinatly try and sell your Suburban privatly, you'll deffinatly get $2500 from the right guy... and I'm sure you can find a better deal on a Jeep elsewhere... look for a 6cyl though
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thanks for the advice... i already was aware of the "value" of my suburban according to a dealer.. i was expecting about 1,000... making the diff. 6,500, instead they started with 2,000 and when i left they offered me 2,500... getting the diff down to 5,000... basically i dont care how much they give me for the burb/how much they charge me for the jeep.. it just seems like it'd be a good deal for a 4,000 diff. i doubt they'd even buy my suburban outright... too much hassle for too little profit. it is however in great shape w/ no rust and only 73,000 origional miles (one previous owner/garage kept) so i'm sure i could get 2,500 for it selling it on my own but who knows how long it would take... it took me almost a year to sell my last one (175xxx miles, rust holes ALL OVER the body/frame even, but it was mechanically sound/reliable) and i got 1,700 for that one after driving it for two years and paying 2,000 for it.. i guess i am kinda anxious to get into a wrangler... can you blame me?
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Well, if you can find a decnt deal on a Wrangler, get it, and sell the burban for Jeep-Spending-Money
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$7500 is a lot for a 10yr old jeep with a 4cyl....

Deffinatly try and sell your Suburban privatly, you'll deffinatly get $2500 from the right guy... and I'm sure you can find a better deal on a Jeep elsewhere... look for a 6cyl though
i've been looking for a few weeks and i'm actually having a hell of a time finding anything suitable to be a daily driver in the 5-7k price range. help! haha
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what do you guys think would be a suitable scenario pricewise to buy the one i've found?
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Old 06-27-2007, 06:46 AM   #10
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Run the numbers through Kelly's Blue Book (www.kbb.com). This will give you the 'market" values for the Jeep and your suburban. An informed consumer is the dealer's worst nightmare.

If you are really looking to get a Jeep you need to do some serious homework. Don't be impulsive, look around and have a qualified mechanic check it out (or yourself). Modifications can be a good and bad thing depending on how abusive the previous driver was.

Shop around and compare deals.
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In MD/PA 97s go for 7+, while newer Jeeps with a warranty are in the 13, 14k range.

I would save up a little more, whatever ya gotta do, and spend ~ 10k on a real nice, 50k-70k mil 6 cyl. I had a 97 before my 05, good jeep but quirky. Try and get a 98+

Also, MAKE SURE the skid plates dont have scratch marks, and the steering box isnt chewed up (driver side front bumper). Thats how you know if it was wheeled (if you care). Also, make sure you triple check for rust on the frame
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It can be difficult to find a good used Jeep here in PA. I drove by my Jeep for 6 months before I finally decided to buy it because it kept taunting me. It was too much money and it ran like crap because of the carter carb, but there just weren't any others out there. There is a 97 in Bradford, PA for sale by a private individual. I haven't looked close at it because I already have a Jeep, but if you aren't too far from Bradford I could look at it for you.
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There's a pre-'97 YJ (black w/black hard top) near me if you are interested. (2 hour drive might be a bit much).
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hey guys thanks a lot for all the input... you're all playing vital parts in my future w/ a wrangler, haha.

daddyjeep: bradford is actually about 4 hours from here (i'm in the harrisburg area) but thanks for the offer and for keeping an eye out for me!

moz: where ya from? 2 hrs might not be so bad... not sure how old i'm willing to get though because it WILL become my DD and my work is pretty strict with being there on time ALL the time, and that sort of thing... the black on black sounds killer though.
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I drove from Payson to Maricopa to get my Jeep, little more than 100miles and 2+ hrs drive time If the deal is good enough you'll drive the distance...

I know vehicle prices may vary, but I found my TJ through a Jeep Forum(AZVJC) and got it for $8000
97 - 4.0 - Auto - 56k miles all original with hard top and a new soft top, new tires and new shocks, plus the guy went anc changed the oil for me before I showed up with the money

IF you look long enough your bound to find something good.
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You should keep your suburban and buy my '89 in scranton. You'll get to keep a sweet truck and you'll get to have a jeep; its the best of both worlds.
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You should keep your suburban and buy my '89 in scranton. You'll get to keep a sweet truck and you'll get to have a jeep; its the best of both worlds.
suburban isnt my DD or i'd consider it. i recently got a decent deal on a trans am. so thats my DD... no need for 3 cars tell me some stuff about your jeep though, price/any pics?? if youd prefer to email them you can get me at maelstromemorte@aol.com
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I drove from Payson to Maricopa to get my Jeep, little more than 100miles and 2+ hrs drive time If the deal is good enough you'll drive the distance...

I know vehicle prices may vary, but I found my TJ through a Jeep Forum(AZVJC) and got it for $8000
97 - 4.0 - Auto - 56k miles all original with hard top and a new soft top, new tires and new shocks, plus the guy went anc changed the oil for me before I showed up with the money

IF you look long enough your bound to find something good.
that sounds like an awesome deal man... i think if they'll do 4,000 difference between my burb+their jeep i'll take it. the 4 cyl thing really doesnt bother me, i think it would be a good starter jeep for me. buy me some time to learn about wranglers and some simple mods before i dive into an amazing one. i also an add for a place in york that has 2 95's. one being 4,995 and the other 4,495. im gonna call about mileage and maybe go check them out tomorrow. we could probably get that down to 2,500 difference so i'd barely have to borrow anything.
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I drove from Payson to Maricopa to get my Jeep, little more than 100miles and 2+ hrs drive time If the deal is good enough you'll drive the distance...

I know vehicle prices may vary, but I found my TJ through a Jeep Forum(AZVJC) and got it for $8000
97 - 4.0 - Auto - 56k miles all original with hard top and a new soft top, new tires and new shocks, plus the guy went anc changed the oil for me before I showed up with the money

IF you look long enough your bound to find something good.
I can totally relate, I found mine off craiglists one day just to see if they had any TJ's for sale. I found a jeep that was just to good to be true, looked into it hard to try to find what was wrong with it and couldent find a darn thing wrong with it. Came with loads of extras so I snagged it up before anyone else could.

I looked hard for accouple months before I found mine. I was patient and did lots of research on every jeep I looked at, and it all turned out great in the end.

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hey guys thanks a lot for all the input... you're all playing vital parts in my future w/ a wrangler, haha.

daddyjeep: bradford is actually about 4 hours from here (i'm in the harrisburg area) but thanks for the offer and for keeping an eye out for me!

moz: where ya from? 2 hrs might not be so bad... not sure how old i'm willing to get though because it WILL become my DD and my work is pretty strict with being there on time ALL the time, and that sort of thing... the black on black sounds killer though.
I PM'd you..
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The one in Bradford is actally a '98. They are asking $7000. It is a 4cyl 5speed with just over 100K. It has a little rust, probably not worth $7, but I'm sure they would come down.

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