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Old 12-10-2008, 03:10 PM   #1
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Nitrogen filled tires

i just got an oil change and i had a chance to talk to my mechanic about the nitrogen fill for tires. he showed me the difference it does make. i know people think that its a waist of your money. trust my its not. my main concern was that when i air down my tires to go wheeling what do i do to air them back up. with the purchase of the fill you can bring your jeep back to the dealer you got it from and they will fill them back up with the nitrogen for free. the nitrogen will extent the life of your tire up to 25-30%, nitrogen doesn't seep through you tires like air does. there is more to the plan than that.

the benefits with the fill are 24-hour free towing up to 15 miles, delivery of fluids including gas, water, oil, or any supplies necessary to send you vehicle on its way. free 24-hour flat repair, 24-hour jump-start, 24-hour lockout service. members are entitled up to $200 reimbursement tire replacement or repair. emergency travel expense so that if you are more than 150 miles from you residence you can qualify for up to $300 in reimbursement.

for $40 a year im not going to complain.

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i just got an oil change and i had a chance to talk to my mechanic about the nitrogen fill for tires. he showed me the difference it does make. i know people think that its a waist of your money. trust my its not. my main concern was that when i air down my tires to go wheeling what do i do to air them back up. with the purchase of the fill you can bring your jeep back to the dealer you got it from and they will fill them back up with the nitrogen for free. the nitrogen will extent the life of your tire up to 25-30%, nitrogen doesn't seep through you tires like air does. there is more to the plan than that.

the benefits with the fill are 24-hour free towing up to 15 miles, delivery of fluids including gas, water, oil, or any supplies necessary to send you vehicle on its way. free 24-hour flat repair, 24-hour jump-start, 24-hour lockout service. members are entitled up to $200 reimbursement tire replacement or repair. emergency travel expense so that if you are more than 150 miles from you residence you can qualify for up to $300 in reimbursement.

for $40 a year im not going to complain.
Nitrogen DOES seep through tires, just not as fast as air does. Nitrogen WILL NOT improve tire wear if you check and maintain the proper air pressure in your tires on your vehicle. All nitrogen does is allow you to go longer between pressure checks. An tire that is not properly inflated with nitrogen will wear just as fast as a tire that is not properly inflated with air. If you are happy with filling your tires with nitrogen, that is fine, but air would work just as well if you check your air pressure every week or so...

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I thought about it once for a second. Then thought, what a PITA it would be if I had to add air. I have an air compressor in the shop but I'd have to go to a service place to add nitrogen and pay. Ditto to what jeeperman said above.
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IMO- it's not a practical solution if you air down your tires frequently.
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Mine came with Nitrogen in them, I didn't have a choice...
Anyone have any thoughts on mixing the air and the Nitrogen?
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Mine came with Nitrogen in them, I didn't have a choice...
Anyone have any thoughts on mixing the air and the Nitrogen?
I believe air is already mixed with nitrogen... something like 15%

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hmm correct me if im wrong, but isnt air 78% nitrogen???

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My bad...my dyslexic numbering system is showing.
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I have an air compressor in the shop but I'd have to go to a service place to add nitrogen and pay.
you do not need to pay for it to be refilled.

jeeperman: i understand that it still seeps through your tires, when the air runs through your tires is causes oxidization lessening the life of the tire. nitrogen does not expand in comparison with air. when you fill with air there is moisture in it, with nitrogen there is very little to no moisture.


the thing that i like about it is all the road side assistance. if i run over something that causes too much damage to pay to get it fixed they will reimburse you for up to $200. not a bad deal. if you where to puncture a brand new tire you will not have to worry about replacing it with money out of your pocket. to extend the life of your tire 25-30% doesn't sound like much but its. for the yearly price of $45 it cant hurt.
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Nitrogen may be fine for a daily driver, but it makes no sense for a wheeling rig with frequent air-downs. How far are you going to drive on pavement with your tires aired down to get your nitrogen refill? Seems to me that a good bit of damage, wear and tear will be done driving to the nitrogen shop! This would cost more money than filling up with my trail compressor... heck, you can probably get a little trail compressor at Harbor Freight for 45 bucks or so!

BTW: With the new JK's come tire pressure sensors. They sound off and put up a flat tire display if one of your tires is low. I believe that is a new government standard for all new vehicles. It is easy to keep your pressure correct (with air) if the idiot lights and bells remind you!
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y......nitrogen does not expand in comparison with air. when you fill with air there is moisture in it, with nitrogen there is very little to no moisture......
Correct. Nitrogen doesn't expand and contract with temperature like compressed air does because of the lack of oxygen. That is the primary reason that we use nitrogen to fill the caster tires on flight line snow removal equipment in the Air Force. The tires go from extreme cold while parked to hot when in heavy use so tire pressure changes are greatly reduced by using nitrogen.

Running nitrogen could help extend tire life by maintaining a steady pressure. That is only if you periodically check your tires for proper pressure in the event you develop a leak. Nitrogen itself doesn't increase the longevity of the tire it is the consistency of pressure that it provides.

But, it doesn't make sense to run nitrogen in your tires if your airing up and down all the time.
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How far are you going to drive on pavement with your tires aired down to get your nitrogen refill? Seems to me that a good bit of damage, wear and tear will be done driving to the nitrogen shop! This would cost more money than filling up with my trail compressor... heck, you can probably get a little trail compressor at Harbor Freight for 45 bucks or so!
glad to see you can read, as stated originaly: you can re-air your tires with a compressor and go to the mechanic who filled it so they can refill with nitrogen free of charge.
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Correct. Nitrogen doesn't expand and contract with temperature like compressed air does because of the lack of oxygen. That is the primary reason that we use nitrogen to fill the caster tires on flight line snow removal equipment in the Air Force. The tires go from extreme cold while parked to hot when in heavy use so tire pressure changes are greatly reduced by using nitrogen.

Running nitrogen could help extend tire life by maintaining a steady pressure. That is only if you periodically check your tires for proper pressure in the event you develop a leak. Nitrogen itself doesn't increase the longevity of the tire it is the consistency of pressure that it provides.

But, it doesn't make sense to run nitrogen in your tires if your airing up and down all the time.
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glad to see you can read, as stated originaly: you can re-air your tires with a compressor and go to the mechanic who filled it so they can refill with nitrogen free of charge.

Glad to see you can spell!

Dude, I wasn't busting on you. It's your $45 dollars a year. (Still don't understand how that's "free of charge.") Spend it the way you want! It just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to air down and up and then drive to a nitrogen refill station and air down and refill with nitrogen again on a wheeling rig. Seems like a lot of extra work to save tires that get pretty beat up when you wheel them anyway. (Not to mention the extra gas you use driving to and from the nitrogen station.) Of course, if you don't wheel it very often, it's not that big a deal.

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my main concern was that when i air down my tires to go wheeling what do i do to air them back up. with the purchase of the fill you can bring your jeep back to the dealer you got it from and they will fill them back up with the nitrogen for free. the nitrogen will extent the life of your tire up to 25-30%, nitrogen doesn't seep through you tires like air does. there is more to the plan than that.

the benefits with the fill are 24-hour free towing up to 15 miles, delivery of fluids including gas, water, oil, or any supplies necessary to send you vehicle on its way. free 24-hour flat repair, 24-hour jump-start, 24-hour lockout service. members are entitled up to $200 reimbursement tire replacement or repair. emergency travel expense so that if you are more than 150 miles from you residence you can qualify for up to $300 in reimbursement.

for $40 a year im not going to complain.
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you do not need to pay for it to be refilled.

jeeperman: i understand that it still seeps through your tires, when the air runs through your tires is causes oxidization lessening the life of the tire. nitrogen does not expand in comparison with air. when you fill with air there is moisture in it, with nitrogen there is very little to no moisture.


the thing that i like about it is all the road side assistance. if i run over something that causes too much damage to pay to get it fixed they will reimburse you for up to $200. not a bad deal. if you where to puncture a brand new tire you will not have to worry about replacing it with money out of your pocket. to extend the life of your tire 25-30% doesn't sound like much but its. for the yearly price of $45 it cant hurt.
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glad to see you can read, as stated originaly: you can re-air your tires with a compressor and go to the mechanic who filled it so they can refill with nitrogen free of charge.
I was going to let this go, but if you are going to be nasty about it, lets go through some of your previous statements about why I should go pay to have someone else put something in my tires that isn't air, when I have a compressor in my garage, and a CO2 tank in my truck: In response to your first post, if YOU could read YOUR OWN POST, you stated that Nitrogen "does not seep through your tires like air does". I stated that it did, and then you changed your mind about it a bit, and stated that it was actually the moisture that damages the tires, which I agree with. But seeing as how I put 30-40K a year on my truck, and use a dryer on my air compressor to fill my Jeep, that will not affect my tires enough to pay someone to have them filled. Because the moisture will only affect the age, not the mileage of the tires. In addition, I believe that CO2 is actually a larger molecule than Nitrogen, and therefore seeps through tires more slowly than Nitrogen, but I would have to do some research to confirm that, and I don't have the time or inclination right now to do it.

If you fill your tires with air after you wheel, what do you do with the moisture that collects from the air before you have your tires filled with Nitrogen again? Do you think that the shop is going to dry out the inside of your tires every time they refill? Probably not, and if they do, it would take time to do it properly, and I don't really have time to sit at the tire shop every time I go off-roading.

As far as the road side service, I get FREE REPLACEMENT on my Jeep tires, and will on my truck as soon as I have to replace them, as long as I own the vehicle through the store that I bought my tires at. They will fully reimburse me if I am caught somewhere with a flat and there is not a retail location close. And I pay less than $40, or $45, whatever you were charged, for my AAA service, which will give me a tow, gas if I need it, and change my tire for free if I so choose, so that doesn't help me out either.

The reason that your thread even caught my attention in the first place was that it read like a commercial (originally with the link and everything) and I don't really like when people only present one side of a story. I was going to just let it die, but you started to get rude, and we don't really like that on this forum, which I am sure that you know from your past experience here.

In addition, this post is strictly my opinion, sprinkled with some facts, and in no way represents the whole of WF.
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Sounds like you should state that this is a benefit of a road side assistance program.

Maybe you should talk to the provider about cost to set you up with a nitrogen fill tank much like most of us use with Co2.
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Old 12-13-2008, 09:34 AM   #17
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I'd invest in the air compressor. So many other uses than just filling tires. We have a big one in the shop and small ones in every garage. They fill up tires, we use them for tools, great way to clean yourself off it you are covered in mud or dust. If you are out in the snow, snowblowing or what ever, you quick blow off with the air hose the minute you come in and then the dang snow doesn't melt all over you keeping you damp.
I use them on my horse stuff, saddle pads and tack, blows all the dirt and hair off my stuff reducing cleaning time. If our jeeps and other stuff is running topless, the air compressor can blow the dirt, dog hair and whatever off your seats and interior far better than a shop vac or reduce your vacuming/dusting time.

The uses are endless, it is like having a roll of good duct tape around.

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