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Old 05-03-2012, 01:49 AM   #1
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Off roading in a manual?

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Im about to go off roading in my new jeep for the first time, and i cant wait! however, this is my first time ever going with a stick shift. Any tips on the best ways to off road/keep control with a stick? what do i do when i go up and down hills? and also, when should i use the four wheel drive function? I have a 2012 wrangler sport. Thanks!

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If your kinda new to a manual I'd get comfortable with that first. Also, the 2012 has HSA = Hill Start Assist.

The jeep applies the brakes for a few seconds if you are on an incline which holds you in place until you get the clutch engaged. It kinda annoys me, but I can see where a stick newbie would love it.

When I learned stickshift my father parked me on an incline in a massive fuel truck and said "try not to crash and burn son". Practicing on an incline can help.

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I'm going off roading soon too... good question, although I experienced the hill start assist the other day on road and was suprised by it ...pretty cool.
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yea the hill start makes it a lot less stressful when starting on a hill. And ive been driving a stick forever, they make driving so much more fun. Ive heard that like going up hills you just want to be in 2nd and then let the engine pull the car with no gas or something like that, is that true?
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:17 AM   #5
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Learn to use 3 pedals with 2 feet (yes, it can be done). May have to feather the clutch some, but don't burn it up. The hill assist can be useful, but we used to simply use our emergency brakes for that purpose. Do not shift while fording water.
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Don't go alone! (preferably with another jeep) tell a buddy where you're going and when you'll return. Be conservative - don't go/do crazy. And most important... HAVE FUN!
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Uphill...it depends. If it is extremely steep, I will usually use 4LO and 1st or 2nd gear. If I am faced with a hill that is very loose with sand or shale, I will use 1st or 2nd in 4HI so I can keep my momentum up.

Downhill...4LO and 1st almost everytime. Put it in gear and just let it do its thing on the way down. The engine will brake for you on most declines. There are some instances where you will have to do this and still use the brake as well.

Typically, I will only use 4WD drive when I need it. If I can run the jeep easily in 2WD without spinning tires or anything, I will.

Go out and give it a try. Sooner or later you will learn what works best for you.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:00 PM   #8
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Not sure if the sports have this but when you put it in 4LO is has an anti-stall mode which pretty much just keeps the rpms up for you so while climbing you can just let off the clutch and not have to worry about a thing Just used it today and it worked lovely
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Not sure if the sports have this but when you put it in 4LO is has an anti-stall mode which pretty much just keeps the rpms up for you so while climbing you can just let off the clutch and not have to worry about a thing Just used it today and it worked lovely
All JK's have it.
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OK just bought a 2012 JK, but not new to either Jeeps or wheeling. Took it out last weekend for the 1st time, and it was doing great. Hit a hill with a lot of loose rocks, most about the size of a football, and had to stop 1/3 of the way up to wait on a guy new to it. He was 3/4 of the way up when I started, but stopped for some reason. Anyways, the incline was steep, and the hill was a 30 plkus foot hill, but I have went up these type of hills for years. Let off the clutch and the hill assist kicked in and gave me no power. Thought OK, I didn't wait long enough, so tried it again and still no power. Got the RPMs up and jumped the clutch a little and it moved 3 feet and died. The darm break would not release due to the hill assis. After 10 min I just backed it down and went around. Then I danced the steering wheel around while applying the break and pressing buttons and clicking my heels 3 times and finally I turned it off. It then performed like I know a Jeep should! Love the 3.6L, but learn how to use the clutch and or e barke if you must but turn off that hill assist. Just my opinion.
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if hill assist bothers some of you guys so much just turn it off(i know my evic has the option on and off im sure for those without evic there is a way aswell) :P like anything theres some situations its useful and other a burden i think its "neat" but ive been driving manuals a while and it causes me more problems since no other car ive ever driven had it
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A skill to practice on a manual for when you are starting on hills without the hill assist or emerg brake.... Go from full clutch-in and full-brake and being able to quickly take your foot from the brake to the gas and engage the clutch smoothly in a fraction of a second so you don't roll back.

Assuming the 2012's manuals still have that issue, don't shift and change gears when in the middle of fording deep water/wet mud or you may foul the clutch plates. Including not shifting into reverse unless you have no other choice. Keep it in the same gear all the way through it.

You should only need 4 low if the incline is very steep and you also need to go very slow
Otherwise that can make for some jerky driving.
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Not sure if the sports have this but when you put it in 4LO is has an anti-stall mode which pretty much just keeps the rpms up for you so while climbing you can just let off the clutch and not have to worry about a thing Just used it today and it worked lovely
Glad I spotted this thread, I did not know this! Does this mean my wife, who's never really driven a manual, could drive it without ever stalling it out and burning up my clutch?
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Glad I spotted this thread, I did not know this! Does this mean my wife, who's never really driven a manual, could drive it without ever stalling it out and burning up my clutch?
Only in 4L. Which means she would need to be off road.
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OK just bought a 2012 JK, but not new to either Jeeps or wheeling. Took it out last weekend for the 1st time, and it was doing great. Hit a hill with a lot of loose rocks, most about the size of a football, and had to stop 1/3 of the way up to wait on a guy new to it. He was 3/4 of the way up when I started, but stopped for some reason. Anyways, the incline was steep, and the hill was a 30 plkus foot hill, but I have went up these type of hills for years. Let off the clutch and the hill assist kicked in and gave me no power. Thought OK, I didn't wait long enough, so tried it again and still no power. Got the RPMs up and jumped the clutch a little and it moved 3 feet and died. The darm break would not release due to the hill assis. After 10 min I just backed it down and went around. Then I danced the steering wheel around while applying the break and pressing buttons and clicking my heels 3 times and finally I turned it off. It then performed like I know a Jeep should! Love the 3.6L, but learn how to use the clutch and or e barke if you must but turn off that hill assist. Just my opinion.
That is actually the perfect scenario for the benefit of HSA. You need to know how it works to properly use it. It works in direct proportion to how much pressure is applied to the brake when stopped. Mash the brake and it will hold you rock steady. Hold the brake lightly and it will barely hold you. It sounds to me like you mashed the brake and didn't apply enough gas to break free, causing the stall. You probably should have been in 4L as well. 4L is a clutch saver when off road.

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