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Old 07-20-2012, 12:44 AM   #2101
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I wave at all wranglers. New, old, broken, they are all wranglers to me. The only people who don't wave are the soccer moms. One asked why I waved at her. She was amazed when I explained it to her. "I was wondering why all these people started waving at me when I bought this."

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Old 07-20-2012, 12:48 AM   #2102
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One asked why I waved at her. She was amazed when I explained it to her. "I was wondering why all these people started waving at me when I bought this."
it really is unfortunate that no one at the dealership gives these poor folks a heads-up. I thank you for educating a fellow jeeper, it's all we can do

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Old 07-20-2012, 05:10 AM   #2103
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it really is unfortunate that no one at the dealership gives these poor folks a heads-up. I thank you for educating a fellow jeeper, it's all we can do
I'm not sure why you think the dealerships know of this.
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:29 AM   #2104
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:30 AM   #2105
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I'm not sure why you think the dealerships know of this.
What Kitty said. Alot of dealerships don't even know what a JK is
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:50 PM   #2106
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I'm not sure why you think the dealerships know of this.
I'm not sure why you think i said they knew about it, caaaaause i didn't. Only said it is unfortunate that they don't give people a heads up, for whatever reason (including ignorance).
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:54 PM   #2107
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What Kitty said. Alot of dealerships don't even know what a JK is
She wrote the harry potter books, right?
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:57 PM   #2108
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By that logic, I can say it is a shame that the lady who does my nails doesn't tell people about the Jeep wave because of ignorance.

If you are going to lay fault or disapproval on something, it usually implies that they knew something about the subject to begin with.
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:57 PM   #2109
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Well they do sell the vehicles, so they know a bit more than a nail salon
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:02 PM   #2110
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Would it be more fair for me to say: "it's unfortunate that dealers aren't more informed about the products they are selling"?
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:48 PM   #2111
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Would it be more fair for me to say: "it's unfortunate that dealers aren't more informed about the products they are selling"?
I would agree with this, especially considering that jeep.com has a blog post about the wave!
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Old 07-20-2012, 01:49 PM   #2112
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I would agree with this, especially considering that jeep.com has a blog post about the wave!
Yay! I knew we could agree
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:23 PM   #2113
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Old 07-20-2012, 04:48 PM   #2114
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An amicably resolved semantic disagreement (what kitty said)
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Old 07-20-2012, 05:56 PM   #2117
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I just recently got my first Jeep (98 with 4" lift and 33's, nothing much yet) and I've noticed how the newer Jeeps, whether or not they are stocked or modded, don't tend to understand the wave/ wave back. That, and the fact that most of them are soccer moms may have something to do with it. All others around here in my area(SoCal) that are usually older models and are modded tend to wave and wave back. Just an observation.

I still try to wave at all the Jeeps that I can. Just remember, at one point the TJ's were the 'new kids on the block' so to speak.
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I've had my first Jeep for almost a month now-and there are plenty of them on the road around me. I've already noticed that most JKU owners simply don't wave, or know what the wave is. I'm not a JKU hater, either. Don't take this the wrong way, JKU guys.
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I waved at myself in the rear view mirror today. I felt good about it.
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I've had my first Jeep for almost a month now-and there are plenty of them on the road around me. I've already noticed that most JKU owners simply don't wave, or know what the wave is. I'm not a JKU hater, either. Don't take this the wrong way, JKU guys.
Soooo freaking true! It makes me so angry lol I mean I put the effort out and they see me and stare like wtf? Ughh... Its unbelievable lol..
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I get a wave here in utah on the street maybe 2/10 times but I always either stop and chat or get a nice smile and wave on the trail!
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Really? We had a JK and a JKU convoying from getting oil changes, and not one of the TJ's or the lone YJ waved back. At either of us. The old guy in the JKU, I gave a wave and pass to though because he was on the phone. The other four.....well.....they all looked at us and our arms out of the window waving at them and looked away with zero response. Seems that many of the TJ fellas have the most instances of BAS. "Broken Arm Syndrome". I just laugh it off, keep rollin' down the road while planning my next mod as soon as my bank account fills back up.

Seriously. Keep tryin' on those JK's and JKU's. I know that I have missed a few because, well, I was kind of busy driving and such. But! I am only a "mom" to four dogs and NONE of them play soccer!

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I consider myself lucky that 7-10 Jeeps, whatever model Wrangler, waves!

I know that some around home haven't a clue what a blinker is or how to use it, let along aknowledge a wave!
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"The Jeep Wave: An honor bestowed upon those drivers with the superior intelligence, taste, class, and discomfort tolerance to own the ultimate vehicle - the Jeep. Generally consists of vigorous side-to-side motion of one or both hands, but may be modified to suit circumstances and locally accepted etiquette. Examples of commonly accepted modifications:
Top off: One handed wave above windshield or outside body tub
Top off during blizzard: Shiver and nod, hands may remain frozen to steering wheel
Southern/rural locations: Raise fingers from steering wheel, nod
It's not what you buy, it's what you build and what you do with it.

In keeping with this cardinal rule of Jeeping, categories have been established to account for each part of the equation.
These categories are:
The Jeep Waving Hierarchy: Based on the vehicle itself. Takes into account the nostalgia factor, the discomfort tolerance quotient, and the amount of owner dedication required to maintain the steed.
The Modifying Sub-categories: Based on what you do with your Jeep.
Equipment Adjustments: What you build.


General Rules:

1. All Jeepers are responsible for upholding the tradition of the Wave. Upon contact with a higher scoring Jeep, a Jeeper is required to initiate the Wave, and continue the Wave until:
The Wave is returned
The Wave is blatantly disregarded
The higher scoring vehicle has passed by and is out of sight
2. All Jeepers are required to return the Wave, unless the initiating vehicle is clearly has a negative (below 0) score.

3. All Jeepers are encouraged, but not required, to return the Wave to negative balance vehicles, and take any opportunity presented to guide and mentor them about their responsibilities to their Jeeps in the hopes that they can correct the error of their ways.

4. When unsure of status or wave requirements of a particular encounter or unable to completely assess the other Jeep's score quickly enough to ensure that the proper Jeep Wave Etiquette rules are followed, immediately initiate wave.

"When in doubt, WHIP IT OUT!"


First, the Jeep Waving Hierarchy (JWH):

Category A Pre-CJ: 30
Category B Pre-AMC CJ: 27
Category C Other CJ: 25
Category D Commando: 20
Category E YJ 16
Category F TJ 15
Category G Cherokee, Wagoneer: 10
Category H All other Jeeps: 5
Category I All other 4WD vehicles EXCEPT yuppie Explorers: 0
Category J All other vehicles 0


The Modifying Sub-Categories (MSCs):
(What you do with it)

MSC Guidelines:

1. MSCs must be considered during all Jeep encounters, and wave patterns must be adjusted accordingly.

2. MSC 5 is the median - the accepted norm.

3. MSCs from 1 through 4 will increase score as listed.

4. MSCs 6 and 7 will decrease score as listed.

MSC 1: Top off; vehicle, driver, and all occupants covered with mud: +30
MSC 2: Top partially off; vehicle and some occupants covered with Mud: +20
MSC 3: Top on; vehicle covered with mud: +10
MSC 4: Top off during snow, sleet, hail, or heavy rain: +5
MSC 5: Somewhat dirty: 0
MSC 6: Obviously recently washed, but immediately re-muddied a little: -10
MSC 7: Clean, dry, unscratched, untested: -30


Equipment Adjustments
(What you build)


Consideration must be given to the current mechanical condition of the vehicle, including all modifications for trailworthiness, comfort, appearance, and spouse-appeasal. These are known as Equipment Adjustments (EAs). EAs are a complicated category, and often difficult to appraise under certain conditions (passing head-to-head at 60 mph, when covered with mud, etc) but must be used to modify score when feasible. If a vehicle is so covered with mud that you are unable to ascertain any of the EAs, you MUST assume that the EAs, when combined with the MSC 1 adjustment, would place the vehicle in a higher scoring position than any non-MSC 1 Jeep, and immediately initiate the wave. Otherwise, EAs will adjust score as follows:


Engine:
Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
Stock, 8-cyl: +2
Stock, 6-cyl: +1
Stock, 4-cyl: 0
Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
Replaced, 4-cyl: -1
Drivetrain Modifications:
Improved internal mechanical parts (crank/cam/etc): +2 each
Upgraded Transmission: NV4500 or Turbo400: +3, All others: +2
Upgraded Transfer Case: +2
Improved exterior mechanical parts (headers/manifolds/pumps/filters/etc): +1 each
Stone stock in a pre-1970 vehicle: +3 (for nostalgia and historical analysis)
All Comfort enhancements removed for more power: +2
Tires:
Stock or unremarkable: 0
Original Tires on Pre-CJ: +2
Slightly oversized (up to 31"): +1
Over 31, with other appropriate mods: +2
Any size, currently covered with mud: +2
Working tires > 31" with original donut spare: -2
Low-profile: -10
Suspension:
Stock, Pre-CJ: +2 if driver can still walk after an hour in the saddle
Body lift: +1/inch
Suspension lift: +2/inch
Spring-Over Lift: +3
High-quality shocks: +2
Lowered: -20
Other accessories/conditions:
Winch, heavy-duty, obviously used: +2
Winch, heavy-duty, use unclear: +1
Other winch, obviously used: +1
Little, chrome-covered, toy winch: -1
Lockers: +2
Upgraded axles: +1
Upgraded transfer case: +1
Each chrome accessory currently shiny: -1
Each neon accessory: -2
Fire extinguishers: +1
Block and Tackle, anchors, etc: +2
Ropes, straps, tow chains: +1
Tow Hooks: +1
Nerf Bars/Rock Rails, used and scarred: +2
Nerf Bars, shiny, no scars: -1
Heavy duty bash/skid plates: +1
Other protective plating (diamond plate, etc): +2 if scarred, -2 if unscarred
Extra fuel tanks/oversize fuel tanks: +1
External Gear Carrying Rack: +1
Multi disc-CD Player: -1
More than one subwoofer: -1 each
First Aid Kit: +1
Backpack, food, emergency gear (just in case): +2
On-board air compressor: +1
On-board Welder: +2
Girly, shiny chrome center caps: -1
Krylon home-made paint job: +1 (for realizing it's just going to happen again)
Blackout Headlight Covers: -1
Any little flippy interior vanity mirrors: -1
Children in vehicle: +1/each (for proper training/indoctrination), +2 if muddy, an immediate correction if not belted in.
EARNED trip stickers/badges/etc: +1/each
Unearned stickers/badges/etc: -2/each
Stickers advertising for other than 4wd-related businesses: -2 (except No Fear: -5)
MSC 1 vehicle in corporate lot sharing with neighbor vehicles: +1 per vehicle decorated
Correct mental attitude, seen or proven: +3
Windshield down: +1 (+2 if raining/snowing)
Bugs left on face/teeth as evidence of recent windshield down driving: +1 (+2 if more than a week old)
CB radio or other communication tool (for emergency only): +1
Hi-Lift Jack: +2
Flexible caulking to fill leaks and body damage: +2
Dogs as passengers, properly secured: +1 (sharing the joy of Jeeping)
Bringing a new Jeeper into the Family: +5
Extra Lighting, used for night-wheeling, not pastel or neon colored: +1/ea
Homemade roll bar pads: +1
Duct Tape currently in use: +1 per yard
Duct Tape Reserve: +1 per roll
Top on and windows up, warm day: -2
Grenade Hood Ornament: +1
P.A. - used to harass drivers of lesser vehicles: +1
Storage boxes from solid steel or ammo cans: +1
Waving while fighting the older Jeeps' natural urge to wander: +1
Plastic headlight covers/accessories: -1
Bra (on a Jeep - how could you??): -1
Snorkel Gear (functional): +2
Battle Scars:
Mashed hood, top, etc., obviously from roll-over: +3
Holes above glove box where passenger ripped grab-bar out: +3
Heavily gouged rocker panels: +2
Bloody seats: +2
V-bent front bumper from being pulled out of that REALLY bad one: +2
Scarred sides from those mis-judged rocks: +1
Any small parking lot dent/scratch still identifiable: -1
Other accessories bent, folded, mangled or mutilated: +1, EXCEPT:
See above, but said item is owned by your spouse: +2
No scars whatsoever: -3 (Unless Pre-CJ restored, then: +3)
New body due to rust only: -5 (unless a rescue, see discussion below)
New body due to damage: Previous damage points carry over (see discussion below)
Fire Damage (bubbled paint, singed seats, etc): +2
Limbs, Shrubs, etc attached well enough to remain at highway speed: +1/each
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of snowmobiles: +1
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of boats: +2
Any rescue in the Jeep's past requiring the use of tracked vehicles: +2
Scars on the driver - MUST be Jeep-related, may require proof: +1
Each Jeep Rescue performed: +1"
I tried to read all the rules and exceptions to the rules. Before I got bored and disregarded your post, I noticed that you gave no points for pants down in the area where you gave points to top's off and right before you mention parts dirty?
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Really? We had a JK and a JKU convoying from getting oil changes, and not one of the TJ's or the lone YJ waved back. At either of us. The old guy in the JKU, I gave a wave and pass to though because he was on the phone. The other four.....well.....they all looked at us and our arms out of the window waving at them and looked away with zero response. Seems that many of the TJ fellas have the most instances of BAS. "Broken Arm Syndrome". I just laugh it off, keep rollin' down the road while planning my next mod as soon as my bank account fills back up.

Seriously. Keep tryin' on those JK's and JKU's. I know that I have missed a few because, well, I was kind of busy driving and such. But! I am only a "mom" to four dogs and NONE of them play soccer!
The only Jeeps I wave to are the JKs and JKUs. I don't waste my time or effort with the other generations, modified or stock.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:55 AM   #2128
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I used to ride a motorcycle before i got my tj and we always did the one hand wave on bikes and today for the first time had another wrangler wave at me. I had no idea it was a jeep thing also. Pretty cool to see that.
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Heading South on 95. Waved at another TJ. County sheriff saw me and pulled me over thinking I had flipped him off. After explaining the Jeep Tradition he let me leave with a nice smile. Little did he know I was the same stiff that blew through his speed trap the week prior and lost him in the traffic congestion.

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