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Old 10-14-2008, 05:08 PM   #1
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Exclamation Poison Spyder Customs - RIP

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Well, seems like we're not always the first to learn things, but I haven't seen anything on ROF about it yet so...

Poison Spyder is shutting the doors for everything but bead locks, chassis and apparel.

No more orders are being taken and anything backordered won't be shipped.

Sucks.

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Kinda sucks. I have a lot of their stuff.

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That does blow. I was going to pick up a set of rocker from them in two months.

What's the rest of the story about them closing up?

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Could it be because they rarely managed to fill orders in an acceptable time period? I ordered from them on two occasions and ended up canceling both times after far too much time passed.
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Could it be because they rarely managed to fill orders in an acceptable time period? I ordered from them on two occasions and ended up canceling both times after far too much time passed.
No, that wasn't it.
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No, that wasn't it.

If you know the reason why not post it instead of letting people speculate.
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Where did you read it? Link?

I just ordered some parts from them. Iīm really happy that i didnīt pay yet.
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If you know the reason why not post it instead of letting people speculate.
That was a joke. Lighten up.
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Where did you read it? Link?

I just ordered some parts from them. Iīm really happy that i didnīt pay yet.
"ROF" in the quote is Rubicon Owners Forum. The post was made by Mike at 4x4Rockshop who is also a vendor on this forum.
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It has been rumored that Poison Spyder was closing, having problems or just reorganizing. I recently addressed some of this on the boards, if you read closely you would have caught that I was contemplating another direction at that time. I have entertained a change for over a year now and finally pulled the trigger. I'am closing Poison Spyder customs down in it's current form, as a full manufacturer.


I originally started out building Baja bugs at age 15, learned allot but moved on to Jeeps. Had a five year gig with the army in a Special forces unit as a commo specialist and Thai linguist, after an injury was forced to redirect my life plan. I never forgot the off road world, and figured I would try to find a place in it. Worked at a small shop called Wilderness off road, then to 4 Wheel parts doing special projects while writing for 4X4 Power and JP magazine. Partnered with my buddy Steve Rumore, sold my house, paid all of my debts and moved into 1000 ft. shop in the heart of Denver. Steve maintaining the sister shop in Bayfeild,Colorado. This was Avalanche engineering. My dogs and I lived at various shops for six years as the company grew through the Avalanche days and then separated into Poison Spyder customs. Bringing along a heritage of innovation and style that is still part of the modern DNA of the rock machines built today. We grew from those meager days to a fully encapsulated and self sufficient manufacturer. As I reflect over the past twenty five years in the dirt world, owning an off road company of Poison Spyder's size and abilities should have been the pinnacle. When I got to the top of that mountain I found myself looking back wishing I had stopped somewhere along the way.


The above is very summarized history, all a continued evolution built on vehicles and component innovation. One of the first questions everyone poses to me is what are you going to do with all of the parts, are you still going to build any of them? No, with a couple of exceptions. Another popular inquiry is where can I get equivalent parts? Even with our components in the grasp of mimicking companies, they could never seem to find the recipe, the perfect combination of function and style that we always aspired to. So to this question I don't have an answer. We grew as a company with our foundation in hard core components, parts that had never been seen or conjured up before. For those of you that were wheeling in the late eighties and early ninety's, you can remember when chrome tube bumpers and diamond plate were the cutting edge. We the renegade hard cores of those days that could be seen running the trails with full width axles, exotic suspensions and these gnarly looking mud tires called Swampers. We couldn't travel the ever escalating trails we were pushing with the off the shelf equipment that was available then. Those parts were more inspired by show truck fashion, and was not the answer for the direction the off road world was destined to follow. Regrettably I'am not driven to continue building and creating some of the best hard core parts in our industry on a production level.


Many people have passed through over the years, I would like to mention several stand outs that were and are integral in our growth and success:
Steve Rumore: A good friend, one of the only people in our industry that could really impress me
Tim Turner: Best fab tech I ever had, an eccentric for sure, but the great ones always are
Paul Herrera: A great organizer, the last one standing a 4AM when something had to get done, huge potential to further himself in the industry
Curt Sadler: A jack of all trades, could cover any position in the company and do it well, and a good friend
Larry wood: A consistent rock of reliability, a trusted cohort, worked at Spyder longer than anyone
AJ Slay: Always a positive force at the shop, the best sales person we have ever had, kept me in touch with reality
Bret Glassett: A creative mind that elevated our company on many levels and a respectable wheeler
Chris Kreutzer: Another individual that came with many unique skills that pushed us upward
Karl Westendorf: A company first man, always looked out for my and Poison Spyder's best interest, most capable


So what is to become of Poison Spyder customs? AJ, our daughter, two dogs and I are moving to Luckenbach Texas... well not in a literal sense. However we are going to re-open the first week of November in our new shop. We are leaving behind the tasking dynamics of a large business, staff and burdens that have grown with us over the years. Going back in time to a shop only a hundred yards from my second shop off of Titan court. Our foundation being the Spyderlock bead lock line, of which I'am excited to focus and expand on. Further, after AJ and I get reorganized I will return to building Rock rods, custom machines and trail guiding. We greatly appreciate your patronage of Poison Spyder customs, and look forward to reacquainting with everyone under our new direction.

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I just found that and was about to post it myself.
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I wasn't busting your balls, I thought you seriously knew why.
I see. I'm not near as smart as some people give me credit for.
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Holy crap is that the truth........
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Yes...you can.
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Well now you have a few collectors items on your rig Scout. I'm not entirely surprised by this though. They do make quality products, but most were way over priced(Nth)... and the order issues(Jeeperman) really kept me away from them. There are a few companies that I would really look to first before PSC.

Sucks for sure, but that is the biz.
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Poison Spyder filed Bankrupcy. US Bancrpcy Court,Colorado Case # 08-27728-SSB. It is a Chapter 7 (liquidation) case. Having the displeasure of condutcing business with this Company makes it obvios why he is a TOTAL FAILURE. My only hope is that these people crawl back under a rock never to hurt anyone else. I am left with a judgement and an open court suit for over $50000. One of the most dishonest companies I have ever dealt with.
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Poison Spyder filed Bankrupcy. US Bancrpcy Court,Colorado Case # 08-27728-SSB. It is a Chapter 7 (liquidation) case. Having the displeasure of condutcing business with this Company makes it obvios why he is a TOTAL FAILURE. My only hope is that these people crawl back under a rock never to hurt anyone else. I am left with a judgement and an open court suit for over $50000. One of the most dishonest companies I have ever dealt with.
You get hurt or something?
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$50K!! serious bitness right there!
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Could it be because they rarely managed to fill orders in an acceptable time period? I ordered from them on two occasions and ended up canceling both times after far too much time passed.
That's what I was thinking. They did it to themselves, if you ask me. They made good stuff, don't get me wrong, but you can't expect people to pay top dollar (and sometimes they asked more than that) for a product, and wait 6-12 months for it to even get made, let alone delivered. We aren't talking about custom parts either, that I can understand...

Oh well, they did make good stuff, and it is a shame. I just wish they had put more into it.

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Poison Spyder filed Bankrupcy. US Bancrpcy Court,Colorado Case # 08-27728-SSB. It is a Chapter 7 (liquidation) case. Having the displeasure of condutcing business with this Company makes it obvios why he is a TOTAL FAILURE. My only hope is that these people crawl back under a rock never to hurt anyone else. I am left with a judgement and an open court suit for over $50000. One of the most dishonest companies I have ever dealt with.
You can't be serious, your first post is a drive-by accusation with no substantiation. You can't drop a bomb like that and not explain.
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I am.

Seriously though, I dealt with them a couple of times and never had a single issue. I did go directly through them and bypassed the vendors so maybe that had something to do with it.

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You can't be serious, your first post is a drive-by accusation with no substantiation. You can't drop a bomb like that and not explain.
Yeah I have to agree here. Without some more info here this could be considered trolling. I'd like to hear what happened or at least more info on the post.
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You can't be serious, your first post is a drive-by accusation with no substantiation. You can't drop a bomb like that and not explain.
We will prolly never see his arse again. LOL
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What he is saying is not wrong. However Poison Spyder will continue to exist in Texas, but Clifton is only going to be making his line of wheels and some custom parts I believe. Nothing like the PSC that we once knew.
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I was his landlord on 2727 W Hampden Ave. In the spring of 2007 I sued to evict for non payment of rent. After the judge gave him a stern talking to he settled. I generously gave him time to move out. The court settlement ordered payment. He failed to send the final $7000. When he moved out my 20 HP v4 air compressor was inoperative and my back up compressor was missing. Both were his responsibility. Additionally he left the place in a total mess, pictures available, and took a baseball bat to portions of the interior. They also tore out a lot of stuff when they removed their equipment. A total assessment of the damage to my property exceeded $50000.00. There is a open court case to collect from him.
This is the type of person who care only about himself and will cause harm to others unfortunate to cross his path. If poison spyder lives on in any form he will damage the lives of others.
The letter above by Clif is PR propaganda. He Bankrupt his business through poor business dealings. He hopes to clear the slate without taking personal responsibility for the damage left behind.
This is no "Drive By" accusation. It is a warning to anyone Foolish enough to repeat my mistake. Avoid Clif Slay at your own peril.
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I was his landlord on 2727 W Hampden Ave. In the spring of 2007 I sued to evict for non payment of rent. After the judge gave him a stern talking to he settled. I generously gave him time to move out. The court settlement ordered payment. He failed to send the final $7000. When he moved out my 20 HP v4 air compressor was inoperative and my back up compressor was missing. Both were his responsibility. Additionally he left the place in a total mess, pictures available, and took a baseball bat to portions of the interior. They also tore out a lot of stuff when they removed their equipment. A total assessment of the damage to my property exceeded $50000.00. There is a open court case to collect from him.
This is the type of person who care only about himself and will cause harm to others unfortunate to cross his path. If poison spyder lives on in any form he will damage the lives of others.
The letter above by Clif is PR propaganda. He Bankrupt his business through poor business dealings. He hopes to clear the slate without taking personal responsibility for the damage left behind.
This is no "Drive By" accusation. It is a warning to anyone Foolish enough to repeat my mistake. Avoid Clif Slay at your own peril.
Any evidence to back up my statement is available.
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Interesting.... Thanks for the follow-up post.
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I wasn't calling you a coward. I'm sorry you got screwed. I know your pain first hand.
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