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Old 01-01-2009, 11:47 PM   #1
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Preventing spring sagging ("spring Aging")

I just came up to this link. What do u all think? might be a worthy experiment to do with my brand new RC springs?

Heat Treatments: Spring Aging

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Old 01-02-2009, 12:01 AM   #2
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It also greatly depends on the quality of material the spring was made of. Low quality steel will fatigue faster than others, even after heat or cryo treating.

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Old 01-02-2009, 12:34 AM   #3
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It also greatly depends on the quality of material the spring was made of. Low quality steel will fatigue faster than others, even after heat or cryo treating.
agreed....basically dont buy skyjacker or rough country springs and you should be good.........
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Old 01-02-2009, 12:39 AM   #4
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lol dude like i said i have another brand new never installed rc set in my closet.
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If they are recent brand new RC springs you SHOULD be okay. If they are 1-2 years old you might have the old design that really has a longevity issue that even a blue pill couldn't help

I would skip the process you found.
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my OME springs sagged 0.5" in the first 1-2 weeks. now they have the same heigth for over 1.5 years.
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Old 01-02-2009, 02:38 PM   #7
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If they are recent brand new RC springs you SHOULD be okay. If they are 1-2 years old you might have the old design that really has a longevity issue that even a blue pill couldn't help

I would skip the process you found.
well the process is free most ovens can reach 600-700 degrees.
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Well if you have the extra springs "sitting in your closet" and don't really care if they get jacked or not.

Have at it.

Will it work with the specific springs you have...who knows.
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I think you should do it and give a write-up. What do you have to loose?
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:58 PM   #10
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What do you have to loose?
hehe 4 crappy springs?
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well the process is free most ovens can reach 600-700 degrees.
Ovens are made to cook foods and not metals or other materials. You would have better luck finding someone with a kiln. If you do actually do this I suggest cleaning that oven afterward, BEFORE it's used again for cooking.
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don't listen to her it should be fine... go on ahead and put some uranium in there and cook away
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Old 01-03-2009, 06:37 PM   #13
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Well, I just read the link and all I can say is...... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

Trip, learn to temper chocolate before you try this out. A hundred degree range is huge in manufacturing terms. There's no way it can be that un-exact. And you must know the rate of climb, and the cooling cycle. Heatwork isn't so easy as slap it in the oven and bake for two hours. Glass, metal, ceramic, they all require specifics when it comes to heat.
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Old 01-03-2009, 06:46 PM   #14
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I dont think your home oven will work. It'll make em warm and toasty, maybe it may even smell like homemade banana bread cooking. If I remember from years ago, I used a torch to heat up the springs on my old 88 Honda to lower the car which it worked for about 2 weeks before coming back to stock height.
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That's because this "spring aging" looks to be a manufacturing process to stop springs from becoming misshapen, ie they've already been through the process. But funny you should say that, Orange, Cain just mentioned the same thing.
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ie they've already been through the process.
I highly doubt it :P
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:25 PM   #17
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heat treatment is usually for tempering which involves a rapid cool down process with oil quenching.....i think it sound to good to be true.....ive been running RE springs for 3 years now and have noticed little or no sagging so i think the best way to go would be to purchase a good quality set of springs
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I highly doubt it :P
Uh-huh. Read the page you posted a little more carefully.
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I still think he should try it, just put the oven on "clean" it get really friggen hot which is the exact temp needed to do this.


Its just science not rocket science.
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As quenching goes, it depends on the metal but in general, rubbery metals like springs require air quenching. More brittle metals require oil or water quenching.
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I still think he should try it, just put the oven on "clean" it get really friggen hot which is the exact temp needed to do this.


Its just science not rocket science.

A self cleaning oven does not hold the temp for two hours. It makes temperature as fast as it can handle and then shuts down. The link says 600-700 degrees for two hours. So, because he lacks the proper equipment the experiment won't match what the site has vaguely laid out.
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So you dont want to cook your chicken pot pies in this?

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A self cleaning oven does not hold the temp for two hours. It makes temperature as fast as it can handle and then shuts down. The link says 600-700 degrees for two hours. So, because he lacks the proper equipment the experiment won't match what the site has vaguely laid out.
I know I didn't include smileys, but both of my posts are completely tongue-in-cheek.

Just wondered if he'd try it.
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If he has, he'll never be back because his mother will have killed him. Racks in the oven aren't meant to carry any sort of load during self cleaning and if he places them in the bottom without the racks, they'll may cause distortion and hot spots. There is also a possibility of burning out the electric elements through overworking them to get to temp.

(I know a little about heatwork, but just a smidge )
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Put 'em in the kiln and take her up to cone 10!


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So you dont want to cook your chicken pot pies in this?

Oven 1? its not what it was called in the 40s
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i would think that adding heat to the springs could, potentially, make the metal brittle. i would rather a sagging spring than a broken spring.
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i would rather a sagging spring than a broken spring.
lol then i would be riding on the bump stops and the ride would be the same as it was with the rc shocks

You are thinking of heat treating, which does make metal brittle. Heat treating and spring aging is different.

btw we have a heat treating thing at work. Pretty darn cool besides the fact that it runs windows problem after problem with that system.
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As quenching goes, it depends on the metal but in general, rubbery metals like springs require air quenching. More brittle metals require oil or water quenching.
and quenching involves rapid changes in temperature....that which u r unable to provide unless u have liquid nitro standing by.....ur points are valid but uneducated.....u need the steel to crystalize pefectly into the perfect spriing rate which takes engineered precision.....when they wind springs they start out with spring wire that is already engineered to that precision

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