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Old 02-11-2010, 10:29 AM   #1
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Recovery noob question

I'm a noob to helping anyone get unstuck but I do carry around a recovery strap just in case the need arises. With all the snow we've gotten here lately it might have gotten some use if I'd spent more time out on the roads. So I've got front and rear tow hooks which makes it obvious where I hook up but what happens if you need to help get a car unstuck but they don't have any obvious attachment points? What is the proper way to use my strap to help them out without breaking anything? BTW the strap I've got is the kind with the loops on the end as I heard the ones with metal hooks can be dangerous. Thanks gang.

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Old 02-11-2010, 10:40 AM   #2
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Most cars, at least on the back will have an eye that you can hook the strap to. Seems like most American cars have them attached permanently whereas the BMW and Mercedes have a plug on the bumper and if you remove the plug, the eye screws in. Sometimes the eye on cars is pretty small so getting your strap thru might be difficult . . . pick up a D Ring as that would probably make it easier to attach to them.

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Good question...if you don't mind, I'd like to add in a little more to the same topic (I'll also try to help answer your questions).

First...an attempted answer...I've never towed anybody out that didn't have obvious attachment points. I've also never towed, nicer, newer daily drivers however. I'm thinking typically there are attachment points under the front and rear of the body that are used to secure the vehicles when they're being towed/winched onto a flat-bed wrecker.

Question I had that fits in this discussion...and figured I'll just add it in instead of start a new, related topic...

If you have a good winch, what's the proper way to winch a vehicle out of the ditch without having an anchor vehicle or rear anchor point available??
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hope that the vehicle doing the winching is heavier than the force needed to pull the other one out.

A rule when helping someone, is let them hook up their car...so if it gets damaged, they did it...



and be gentle on the yank.
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:12 AM   #5
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Just hook up to the tie rods and get a good running start to pull em out




Ok, ok, I was just kidding Do be very aware of things that can go wrong. Even if the owner says it's ok, when something breaks be prepared to hand over your insurance card
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:16 AM   #6
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hope that the vehicle doing the winching is heavier than the force needed to pull the other one out.

A rule when helping someone, is let them hook up their car...so if it gets damaged, they did it...



and be gentle on the yank.
Very good point... I've always heard that from anyone around here that does recovery during snowstorms. They'll pull you out, but you gotta hook it up to your own vehicle so if something breaks, they were the ones responsible for hooking it up to that point and not the owner of the recovery vehicle.
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I don't have anything to add but, don't do this!!!!

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Edited: HOLY CRAP YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!! ^
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best way to help someone out. Hop in their car and call AAA. Let someone else assume the liability.
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I also tell them I'm not responsible for any damage!
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best way to help someone out. Hop in their car and call AAA. Let someone else assume the liability.
yeah i've heard that if anything breaks i'm legally responsible. didn't know there was a difference who does the hook up. well that sucks! so much for trying to be a good samaritan.
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yeah i've heard that if anything breaks i'm legally responsible. didn't know there was a difference who does the hook up. well that sucks! so much for trying to be a good samaritan.
if someone tried to take you to court, it'd be a PITA. but I doubt they'd win anything...

Personally I won't pull anyone out unless I know them.
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I have done my fair share of pulling people
out of the snow.
It really depends on lots of things,you dont want to hurt their car
or hurt your jeep
If both are agreed and easy enough
go for it
I had a 70 IH heavy half 4x4(the binder)
that pulled so many car/truck/jeeps out of the
ditch it wasnt funny
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Carrying the tsrap is always a good idea. It's like having jumper cables. You may need them. As far as hooking up to another vehicle, I wouldn't do it unless there were obvious and accessible safe hook up points. There's too much plastic, and tyoo many things that can go wrong, and unfortunately, so many people are a$$holes and will sue you if something goes wrong. That's why wreckers carry lots of insurance. On the other hand, if it's a jeep or another such vehicle with good solid accessible hooks or loops, strap up and yank.

As far as winching, I've seen jeeps winch out larger vehicles, but they used tree savers to anchor up. I've also heard of folks using danforths. That seems like it could be dangerous.
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...when something breaks be prepared to hand over your insurance card
Thats why you have your lawyer write up a legal liability agreement and have both you and the person sign it then you can prove that they agreed to it knowing the possible damages that might have occured trust me it works

Obviously have the lawyer write it up and give you a couple of copys before hand
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If you know anything about cars, every vehicle is able to be safely pulled from the front or back, via the frame. If you **** their frame up. You sir, have a badass pulling vehicle.
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If you know anything about cars, every vehicle is able to be safely pulled from the front or back, via the frame. If you **** their frame up. You sir, have a badass pulling vehicle.
I don't think there are too many examples of where somebody messed up their frame getting pulled . . . it's the plastic and sheet metal that is the concern in my mind. You have to really pay attention to the angle of the strap and things like that as even if you are connected to the frame like you should, if the car has a bunch of plastic like most cars do low down on the bumpers and ground effects, etc and you hook up the strap to your bumper which is probably much higher than the attachment point on the car, the angle of the strap will place a load against the plastic and you'll hear a nice snap, crackle, pop noise when you try to pull them out. I've tugged my fair share of Jeeps and other offroad vehicles on the trail, but it would have to be a special situation for me to put a strap on a car . . . too many things can go wrong and too many sue happy bastards to take that risk.
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I don't think there are too many examples of where somebody messed up their frame getting pulled . . . it's the plastic and sheet metal that is the concern in my mind. You have to really pay attention to the angle of the strap and things like that as even if you are connected to the frame like you should, if the car has a bunch of plastic like most cars do low down on the bumpers and ground effects, etc and you hook up the strap to your bumper which is probably much higher than the attachment point on the car, the angle of the strap will place a load against the plastic and you'll hear a nice snap, crackle, pop noise when you try to pull them out. I've tugged my fair share of Jeeps and other offroad vehicles on the trail, but it would have to be a special situation for me to put a strap on a car . . . too many things can go wrong and too many sue happy bastards to take that risk.
Exactly!!! What he said, and if you need to carry around legal disclaimers, it's not worth it to be a samaritan. I'll let someone use my cellphone to call a wrecker, but sans good clear hook up points, I'm not getting out my strap.
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I check for the condition of the people, then let THEM call for a tow truck

Even with D-rings, there's a good chamce of ruining a good $50 strap with LOOPS, if the stukee doesn't have external recovery points !!

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