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Old 02-05-2009, 03:57 PM   #1
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replacing winch cable

i am getting ready to replace my winch cable, i have an aftermarket brand style winch,but it looks like a milemarker, any way it is only a 5000 lb pull
, i know thats a little small but it was on the jeep when i got it, so heres the question,
the winch has 1/4" wire rope i want to replace it with synthetic rope, which is more expensive but safer, should i go for over kill and use 3/8" which has a breaking strenght of 19,600 lb or a 5/16" with breaking strenght of 13,700 lb
i can get 50' of the 3/8" for $147.00, or 80' of the 5/16" is $165.00

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i would opt for the over kill 3/8." what is the length on the steel cable that is on there now? just make sure that 50' is going to be long enough. it should be, but just give it some thought.

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I'd get the strongest you can too. I've been considering going to synthetic lately also. Even after hearing all the negatives about it from die hard "steel cable" people and how steel cable is the only thng to use when rock crawling I'm still leaning towards synthetic. Its lighter and supposed to be just as strong... just don't let it touch or graze a rock while pulling... it takes VERY LITTLE contact, just a little graze, with a rock while under tension and it will snap/break instantly. thats what scares me I guess.

I'm going to try it tho. I'd save maybe 40 lbs up front and a hawse farelead won't be sticking way out smaking into rocks as much as my roller farelead.

So, what is the BEST brand/manufacturer? Who makes a good hawse farelead for synthetic? What is the best hook?... or thimble?

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I did some searching and found winchline.com

thinking of getting the 3/8" 80ft (should be plenty) of viking rope with excel hook and 2 10ft lengths of heavy duty line protector and an alum hawse farelead.

that should save me about 35 lbs compared to the 100+ft of steel cable and the heavy roller farelead I have now.

I was considering the WARN synthetic cable but that stuff is nearly $700! its because they use special heat resistant materials. But I've been reading that winches don't really overheat the roller unless your using the winch motor to reel out. Synth ropes may look overheated (flat instead of round)on the first wrap after awhile but its because of the compacted pressure of it being the 1st wrap and it doesn't hurt the rope. So I can't justify spending the extra cash on the WARN rope.

I'd be using this in around sharp rocks which is why I'd use two 10ft lengths of protector wrap to cover more length of the rope just incase it might contact more than one possible rocky area.

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I'd get the strongest you can too. I've been considering going to synthetic lately also. Even after hearing all the negatives about it from die hard "steel cable" people and how steel cable is the only thng to use when rock crawling I'm still leaning towards synthetic. Its lighter and supposed to be just as strong... just don't let it touch or graze a rock while pulling... it takes VERY LITTLE contact, just a little graze, with a rock while under tension and it will snap/break instantly. thats what scares me I guess.

I'm going to try it tho. I'd save maybe 40 lbs up front and a hawse farelead won't be sticking way out smaking into rocks as much as my roller farelead.

So, what is the BEST brand/manufacturer? Who makes a good hawse farelead for synthetic? What is the best hook?... or thimble?

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Ben, I too have been reading on the synthetic stuff... this place seems to have some good deals - 4X4 Winch Lines at Winchline.com: Winch Line,Winch Ropes, Recovery Gear, Tow Rope, Synthetic Winch Line
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5/16" winch rope will be more than enough. you only have a 5.000 lbs winch.

amsteel blue 1/4" winch rope would be more than strong enough for this winch. Amsteel Blue, Winch Line, Rope, ATV winch lines
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cool, yeah thats the place I've been looking at too. they have a good website
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Ben, I too have been reading on the synthetic stuff... this place seems to have some good deals - 4X4 Winch Lines at Winchline.com: Winch Line,Winch Ropes, Recovery Gear, Tow Rope, Synthetic Winch Line
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im not a die hard steel cable buy but when im winching up a crazy hill climb with cliffs on both sides im gonna trust the steel cable over the sythetic.....ive seen about 5 in the last year snap just in my club....if you dont overload steel cable and inspect it frequently it will last forever.....if you put on a brand new synthetic and go for your first pull and drag it over rocks you will have two synthetic winch lines
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im not a die hard steel cable buy but when im winching up a crazy hill climb with cliffs on both sides im gonna trust the steel cable over the sythetic.....ive seen about 5 in the last year snap just in my club....if you dont overload steel cable and inspect it frequently it will last forever.....if you put on a brand new synthetic and go for your first pull and drag it over rocks you will have two synthetic winch lines
Yep and thats my biggest concern Flattie. And I've seen it happen more than a few times and on a single trail run even. The BIG and EASY mistake is to be in a hurry and everyone is hustling about so we can get up a waterfall for the next rig to have their chance at it. The winchers are usually the "losers" and we want to get the losers out of the way for the real macho men to try it without the winch. lol. At those times it is easy to be distracted, people takeing short cuts (hooking rope line onto itself when an appropriate anchor point isn't found right away on the jeep in front), not paying attention where to place the abrasion cover (condom) stuff like that... and not being alert and careful about the angle of the line and it's proximity to rocks.

I'm in arizona and all we've got are rocks and all of our runs are in deep washes with rocks on all sides. allow the rope to contact a rock without using the condom and its over and that would be disasterous. It means making sure only people who know what they are doing who are patient in secureing the line and the angle... most people stay in their rigs while another secure the cable/rope... make sure that other person knows what they are doing. If there isn't a good anchor point or place to hook onto the rig in front of you then use a strap or find a bigger rock or another rig to anchor to.

anyways, yeah I'd like to keep the steel. But I want to lose weight in front though and I'm taking a chance. see how it goes, if you don't hear from me again then it's because it didn't work and I'm probably dead.

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5/16" winch rope will be more than enough. you only have a 5.000 lbs winch.

amsteel blue 1/4" winch rope would be more than strong enough for this winch. Amsteel Blue, Winch Line, Rope, ATV winch lines
amsteel blue 1/4" is rated above 9k lbs but they recommend it for only 6k and lower rated winches. If he plans to upgrade his winch later then I think he would be better off getting 3/8".

the following is from Rockstomper.com
"Please note: Although the strength of 1/4" Amsteel Blue is very high, we recommend it for winches 6,000 pounds and under only."
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I have the AmSteel Blue Synthetic & I like it, here is the site 4X4 Winch Lines at Winchline.com: Winch Line,Winch Ropes, Recovery Gear, Tow Rope, Synthetic Winch Line my winch is a 95000 lb, the line is 3/8 rated at 19,600lb breaking strength. Have a look & see what you think. I also have about 10 ft of sliding protector on it. Now have to get a spotter line & rock line, which will be when I can afford it, seems to be there is always somethin' lol
Oh looks like the site is the same as a lot of others have recommended too, be sure if you get the synthetic to change the roller fairlead to the hawse thingy' but you prolly' already know that.
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I have a 91 yj 4.0 and just got it, came with about everything BUT a winch, he took that off. So I'm new to all this as it's my first jeep and see so many winch makers. I won't be doing anything like rock climbing or even very big hill climbing, some creek ridding and deep snow. Can someone recommend a winch that's reliable and not a ton of money, maybe a 8K. Thanks ps. How do you post a picture? I can do the browse thing but the URL ??
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I have a 91 yj 4.0 and just got it, came with about everything BUT a winch, he took that off. So I'm new to all this as it's my first jeep and see so many winch makers. I won't be doing anything like rock climbing or even very big hill climbing, some creek ridding and deep snow. Can someone recommend a winch that's reliable and not a ton of money, maybe a 8K. Thanks ps. How do you post a picture? I can do the browse thing but the URL ??
WARN M8000 is an excellent winch. I highly recommend it. I had it and I really miss it. I had "upgraded" to a 9500lb ramsey but I'm selling it to go back to a warn.
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I donīt know why most people say that Warn winches are the best. A buddies M8000 isnīt faster and better than my 200$ ebay-winch. He often needs a snatch block when my winch still does it without.
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I donīt know why most people say that Warn winches are the best. A buddies M8000 isnīt faster and better than my 200$ ebay-winch. He often needs a snatch block when my winch still does it without.
look up the line speed ratings of an m8k winch....u will be surprised how much faster they are.....and its not only how fast if pulls you up the obstacle but how fast you can spool it back in.....i also have a cheapo winch and couldnt be happier but some of my buddies warns are definitely the sh$$...they are very fast and have very little mechanical problems...but like i said my harbor freight cheapo winch has lasted a long time and winched me up some of the biggest obstacles the east coast has to offer
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Nico, I'm sure your winch is awesome... WARN are just the most reliable is all. They are not magical and indestructable and sometimes they need to be sent in for service just like anything else. So I don't doubt what your saying. Alot of times it also has to do with the AMP draw and having a decent electrical system and strong battery... if your friends battery was weak then that can have ALOT to do with its performance. But my warn m8000 has been an awesome winch for about 3 or 4 yrs with no problems and it was used often and on hard pulls. I recently was given a free top of the line Ramsey 9500ut from one of their reps. I gave my m8000 to a good friend for his jeep and its still going strong. I missed my WARN and sold the Ramsey yesterday for $375 to a friend so I could go buy myself a WARN again.

my WARN 9500xp should arrive next week and it wasn't cheap... paid good $$$ for the assurance of having the most reliable winch

And just to keep this on topic ... I'm still considering synthetic 80-90ft of 3/8 synthetic but I may wait a little since I'm in no rush. My jeep won't be wheelable for awhile yet.
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And just to keep this on topic ... I'm still considering synthetic 80-90ft of 3/8 synthetic but I may wait a little since I'm in no rush. My jeep won't be wheelable for awhile yet.
Youīll really like synthetic winch line. Itīs so easy to handle without gloves and itīs save when it breakes.
I have 125' of 3/8" on the winch and a 100' extension. I use the winch very often and it was a real improvement.
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Youīll really like synthetic winch line. Itīs so easy to handle without gloves and itīs save when it breakes.
I have 125' of 3/8" on the winch and a 100' extension. I use the winch very often and it was a real improvement.
did you have any trouble fitting that much 3/8 line onto your winch drum? I'd be happy to get 80 ft but I'm hopeing i can get maybe 90. i think the winch I'm getting normally holds between 100 and 125 ft of 5/16 steel cable. I dont want to order more synth line than what i can fit on it. How much steel cable came with your winch before you switched to synth?

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my winch came with 10o' of 10 millimeters (2/5") steel cable. 125' of 0.95 millimeters (3/8") synthetic line fits without any problems.
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I agree with 5/16" too

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