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Old 02-17-2012, 09:58 PM   #1
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Shifting Jeep Liberty 4WD

My kid just got a 2004 Jeep Liberty with an automatic transmission.

His Liberty has the same type shifter, for shifting into 4WD, as my 2001 Wrangler TJ although my Jeep is a manual transmission.

They told him at the dealership to shift in 4WD he has to manually shift the main transmission into neutral, then pull up on the shifter for 4WD, then shift main transmission back into drive.

That sounds about ridiculous to me!!

Can't he just shift into 4WD on the fly without touching the main shifter/gears?

This question is as clear as mud, isn't it?

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I have searched around and see that you can do this the way I say, was just looking for some confirmation from other Jeepsters that my kid might listen to!!

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Old 02-18-2012, 01:34 AM   #2
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It should be shift on the fly. My brothers 02 can shift on the fly! It should have the same transfer case as most jeeps aside from the rubicon. The np231.

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Old 02-18-2012, 03:41 AM   #3
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Thank you.

That's all I needed to know, as if I didn't already though!!
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:45 AM   #4
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My wife has a 05 and it is shift on the fly.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:10 AM   #5
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I always stop and shift to neutral then shift into 4wd then shift back to drive. I have never tried to shift on the fly. I will shift out of 4wd while moving though....
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:35 AM   #6
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You can shift into 4 Hi on the fly as long as you are under 50 MPH. I always shifted my 02 Libby on the fly without any problems.
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Old 02-18-2012, 07:23 PM   #7
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I always stop and shift to neutral then shift into 4wd then shift back to drive. I have never tried to shift on the fly. I will shift out of 4wd while moving though....
This is almost how they told the kid to do it, except they told him he could be moving. Quite ridiculous, in my opinion. Basically/totally defeats the purpose of having shift on the fly 4WD. Might as well have the old fashioned lock outs and crap! Just what I would want to have to do is stop, in the middle of a blizzard to shift in to 4WD, and then try to get going again!!

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Old 02-18-2012, 08:58 PM   #8
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This is almost how they told the kid to do it, except they told him he could be moving. Quite ridiculous, in my opinion. Basically/totally defeats the purpose of having shift on the fly 4WD. Might as well have the old fashioned lock outs and crap! Just what I would want to have to do is stop, in the middle of a blizzard to shift in to 4WD, and then try to get going again!!

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Yeah I know what you mean. I'm just so used to doing it the old school way that it becomes natural... If I told you I put it in reverse and back up 10 feet also would that be bad. Lol :-)
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Old 02-19-2012, 06:01 AM   #9
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Yeah I know what you mean. I'm just so used to doing it the old school way that it becomes natural... If I told you I put it in reverse and back up 10 feet also would that be bad. Lol :-)
Cracked me up when I read that.
I was going to ask you about that backing up trick!!

Somebody else said exactly that in another thread I've seen somewhere on here about 4WD and shifting.

I thought they did away, for the most part, with lock outs on vehicles any where near close to modern? My brother in laws 1995 Ford Ranger has lock outs even though it has a simple little knob on the dash inside for shifting into 4WD. How crude!!
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Old 02-19-2012, 06:52 AM   #10
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the only time that you would need to stop is to go into nuet.then 4low back to drive,,(for the life of me cant remember this morning if a lib even has low--on first cup of coffee--lol) and i still drive in reverse after being in 4wd out of habit..
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Trusting the words of a dealership? Yikes I have a really cool bridge for sale... only $50,000.. Hopefully the dealership wasn't out to lunch with bad advise for your son, hopefully they were meaning to say in and out of 4 low.. we have an 05 CRD, and not only can you shift into 4 hi on the fly, there is a spot on the lever for part time all wheel drive, thats the best for snow or ice covered roads. when you hit dry road, its still cool to have it in the part time position.
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Old 02-20-2012, 04:39 AM   #12
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@bap:
Yep,
Liberty has 4L. I told him that about having to stop to go into 4L, which is normal.

@RubiconDon53:
I'd have to say the dealership was so far out to lunch, I may have considered NOT buying that vehicle, just for that showing of total ignorance, if I were the one buying it! This was the kids first experience with a dealership. Actually, I think he did pretty decent, minus that stupid advice they gave him for shifting! He did manage to get them to come down almost $1,000 on price!!

Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm considering this topic closed as I believe the kid actually had headed the advice you all have posted.
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i am going to add that i work at a dealership(service department) im really not a tech. i just do inspections on used cars( grive them and give them a good going over then change oil and such) but it seems at most dealerships the sellers are about as dumb as rocks-----not funny

the best advice i have ALWAYS done when buying a new car is to go talk to the master techs, about the vehicels your interested in..
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Having a major blizzard here in Michigan at the moment. Instant burial!! Brings up a new question to this same issue, so won't start a new topic.

Just curious and looking for confirmation that you CAN shift the above mentioned vehicle into 4H while at a stand still? Main transfer case should probably be in neutral then though, correct? So, can you?

This is probably what dealership was talking about originally?!

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Having a major blizzard here in Michigan at the moment. Instant burial!! Brings up a new question to this same issue, so won't start a new topic.

Just curious and looking for confirmation that you CAN shift the above mentioned vehicle into 4H while at a stand still? Main transfer case should probably be in neutral then though, correct? So, can you?

This is probably what dealership was talking about originally?!

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Well, in my 2002 Liberty, I have shifted into Part Time and Full Time 4WD at speeds ranging from 0 and in Park to 70 mph, with no problems... I have never shifted it into Neutral to go to 4H...4LO would be another story, but I have never tried it myself, and I don't feel like walking outside and checking my owner's manual...
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Thank you!

All I wanted to know is if it can be done and if it's safe to do so.
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You shouldnt have to shift into neutral to go into 4Lo either. You just cant be going faster than 3-5mph when you shift. The transfer case is shift on the fly for both 4Lo and 4Hi.
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:47 AM   #18
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Thank you, Militaryman!!
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:22 AM   #19
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You shouldnt have to shift into neutral to go into 4Lo either. You just cant be going faster than 3-5mph when you shift. The transfer case is shift on the fly for both 4Lo and 4Hi.
You DO have to shift the tranny into neutral for 4 lo along with rolling at 3-5 mph.

You DO NOT have to be in neutral for 4 hi, its shift on the fly up to about 50 mph.

The guy at the dealership was probably describing how to engage 4 lo...or he was actually trying to describe how to engage 4 hi and had no idea what he was talking about haha.
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You DO have to shift the tranny into neutral for 4 lo along with rolling at 3-5 mph.

You DO NOT have to be in neutral for 4 hi, its shift on the fly up to about 50 mph.

The guy at the dealership was probably describing how to engage 4 lo...or he was actually trying to describe how to engage 4 hi and had no idea what he was talking about haha.
Im sorry, Im thinking of a manual tranny. I just push in the clutch.
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Im sorry, Im thinking of a manual tranny. I just push in the clutch.
Yep, for a manual thats all you have to do, easier than the auto
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You DO have to shift the tranny into neutral for 4 lo along with rolling at 3-5 mph.

You DO NOT have to be in neutral for 4 hi, its shift on the fly up to about 50 mph.

The guy at the dealership was probably describing how to engage 4 lo...or he was actually trying to describe how to engage 4 hi and had no idea what he was talking about haha.
I do believe I know what you're saying and meaning, but for clarification purposes, and because we're dragging this question on, when you say you do and do not have to be in neutral, we ARE talking about the main shifter/transfer case/center console shifter, right?
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The transmission shifter has to be in neutral before you can move the transfer case shifter to 4 lo.

You can move the transfer case shifter to 4 hi without having to put the transmission shifter in neutral.
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Got it!!

Kid was here yesterday so I had a chance to check it out.

Yep, can shift into 4H while at a stand still whether in Park or Neutral with no grinding or any foreign noises!

4L works in the vehicle also!

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