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Old 07-21-2008, 03:05 PM   #31
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I know when I was looking the 2003 Wrangler has 4 star roll over rating while a 2003 jeep grand cherokee has 3 stars.
Dont go buy what others say do your own research!

I personally go against what most people on here say! I would by my child the newest, biggest vehicle I could. Just incase they get in an accident.
The newer vehicles have better safety features then the older ones. They are like race cars, they will fall apart all around you in an accident. But, the cockpit stays perfect.
It is basic physics, you want your vehicle to absorb the impact and not the occupants!
Get her a big truck with 5 star ratings all the way around!
They are hard to flip over!
They are high off the ground so other drivers pose less of a danger!
Who cares about gas mileage when it comes to your children and safety!
I would rather be in a truck in an accident then a smart car!
Plus have you ever seen a hospital bill? That would take away any gains you have in gas! I would rather my children walk away from an accident then have any kind of injury!
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By the time my kids, either one, made it to the driving test they had over 200 hours each behind the wheel of the XJ, started them off in our development in clear and snow, deep snow, which is either up hill or down hill with stop signs at every street so they got really good with the clutch and hand brake, next was long 4 hour one way trips on interstate 80 or the PA turnpike, then they got some city driving on trips to philly including parking, they really did a job on the garbage cans in the driveway though learning parallel parking. Made them parallel park the wifes Oldsmobile cutlass then the XJ and TJ's were a breeze.
Now a days though the cell phone becomes an issue, we had a no phone rule and I enforced it with tracking the calls, after all I paid the phone bills and would yank driving 1 day for every phone call, it was tough but once I got the hang of it and actually kept track of when they left and arrived, called a few bluffs of 'but I was parked' we nipped that. I also pulled the back seats on the TJ's so they could not have any friends in the back.
The 2.5 5 speed wrangler is a good choice, it's not a speed demon and as long as it has good tires and shocks handles well enough and if some does hit them it's like running into a rock.
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i'm not gonna give you my opionon on whether or not you should buy her what she wants. you wanted to know if the jeep is safe for her. so i'll tell you what i've got on that..... being that she's a girl, she's msot likely not got the speed and danger drive of a boy, so its already safer from the start. jeeps arent known for their speed and espicially a 4cyl. everyone assumes that jeeps rool over alot, this is not true, not anymore than most SUV's or trucks. the old jeeps were more narrow and therefore had a better chance to roll, but newer models are wider which lowers the center of gravity, making it harder to roll. if she wears her seat belt she'll be even safer. if i had a 16yr old, i'd be ok with letting them drive a jeep
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Thanks again- I am feeling better about about the jeep-- now the other issue that i have with it is the top- getting it on and off I hear is hard- and what about if they're in a wreck with the top off- everyone is supposed to have the seat belt on- there was a bad wreck here in alabama yesterday- all had seatbelts on and one was killed on scene- not sure how though!! that's another issue- very scary if they wreck but I guess thtat's with any convertible- you just pray they won't flip!!
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I personally think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned getting something she'll like/want so she'll take care of it. Of course I have no idea who your daughter is and if she's responsible or not, only you do. But I honestly don't believe that Jeep Wrangler is any more dangerous than any other car. In fact having a jeep will probably teach her to drive slower and more responsibly than some little Honda or Miata (you know girl cars. )

The tops are not hard to get off. A hard top is heavier than a soft top and can be a pain in the ass if you are trying to do it by yourself, but a soft top can be folded down or removed entirely in a matter of 5 minutes.
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:26 PM   #36
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one of my best friends in highschools dad bought her a wrangler when she turned 16 because he always liked mine =D she loved it too.. i always had the top down and people always wanted me to drive =/ but atleast gas was a lot cheaper a few years back
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Old 07-21-2008, 09:42 PM   #37
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My personal experience about the safety of a Wrangler. I was driving 70 on an interstate where the posted speed was 65. I was passing a little BMW sportscar that was in the slow lane talking on his phone. He drifted into my lane and bumped my rear passenger tire. Shot me into a grassy median and obviously had a little fishtail action from the impact. I didn't slam the brakes and it came under control on it's own. Reflexes can also cause alot of bad accidents out there and I have also witnessed large SUV's swerving in and out of traffic and all it takes is a clip of somebodies bumper.

I also know somebody that had a tractor trailer come over into his lane and if he had been in a little car the outcome would have been alot worse.

I also like the fact that I can see further ahead in traffic by looking over little cars or through the windshields of talller vehicles. I have avoided lots of junk on the roads because of this advantage and not having to do a last minute swerve.
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Old 07-22-2008, 06:26 AM   #38
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Thanks again- I am feeling better about about the jeep-- now the other issue that i have with it is the top- getting it on and off I hear is hard- and what about if they're in a wreck with the top off- everyone is supposed to have the seat belt on- there was a bad wreck here in alabama yesterday- all had seatbelts on and one was killed on scene- not sure how though!! that's another issue- very scary if they wreck but I guess thtat's with any convertible- you just pray they won't flip!!
Quadratec makes a nifty gadget to take off the hard top. IMO - throw a soft top into the deal.

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Is any vehicle safe for a 16yr old?..............
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Is any vehicle safe for a 16yr old?..............
Bumper cars are relatively safe.
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:02 PM   #41
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if she deserves it then get it for her.
Comes stock with a roll bar. Bumbers are made of steel, not like these new cars and trucks that have plstic everything!
And if you get her something she wants she'll be more inclined to respect it and go out of the way to take care of it.
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theres wrecks everyday in non convertible vehicles where people die, even wearing their seatbelts. all kinds of forces are put on the body during a wreck and in certain situations it doesnt take much. so i wouldnt worry too much about the top. also, unless she's really tall the roll bars will be higher than her head in case it does flip. and no, its not too dificult to get the tops off, esp the newer TJ models, i dunno about the JK. also, just curious, where are you in alabama? i live right on the GA /AL border
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I am in Birmingham- BUT she is Very tall- 5'11"- - I am so on the fence b/c I feel like it is more of a GUY car- she just likes to be DIFFERENT- that she will!!
anyway- I really don't want to be stuck buying all the extras- she will have to work to pay for them right- in all her free time-anyway- I knwo it is much safer than all those little cars- I looked on craigslist and there were a bunch from atlanta- heading that way to pick her up at camp in NC-then we'll have about 6 weeks until her birthday-
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Being different isn't always a bad thing. I have always been considered a tomboy and had matchbox cars instead of dolls growing up. I got into my first Wrangler and it was just me and a I had never even thought about a Jeep before that. One thing to keep in mind, you have been browsing this site for a few days now right? The type of people on here is basically the way Jeepers are very helpfull and try to watch out for each other. If we see a Jeep on the side of the road we will take an exit to get back to them and make sure everything is okay. What other vehicle could you put her in with that type of assistance program.
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i bought my jeep for myself at 16, mine is on 35's and lifted about 7-8 inches now, and im not worried about rolling it, i would suggest taking the balance weight of the tires, that way it shakes once u get over 30mph worked for me haha,

more seriously, stock jeeps are one of the safer cars you can have, they wont get stuck in snow, can take a good hit and not crumple, dont flip as easy as explorer's or other SUV, safest convertible b/c of its rollbar, and if u buy her a nice enough jeep, shell go slow to make sure nothing happens to it!

also im 6 1 and i dont come close to being above to roll bar, the roll bar is the top so if u are above the roll bar that means ur gonna have to put a sunroof in ur jeep to be able to see
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When I was 16, I drove my parents' Mazda 626 and totalled it the first day of school. Had to buy next car myself - 1976 Monte Carlo. I appreciated the Monte a LOT more.

My daughter got the Jeep *I* now have initially. She had been driving our Grand Cherokee but had a job in town and needed a car to do so. She drove it aggressively, even for a 2.5L, and nearly laid it over in a turn. That kind of car was not for her.

That is my experience.

You need to consider:
- child's maturity
- child's current driving habits
- child's driving experience

You also need to think about how/if you want them to balance multiple responsibilities between school, after-school activities, working, and paying for vehicle upkeep.

Each kid is unique and only you as the parents can make the final call.

Looking back, the Wrangler was NOT the car for her and we put her in a Honda Civic. I kept the Jeep for me. But just because it wasn't the car for her, does not mean it would not be a good vehicle for another 16YO.
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i'm 6'2 and and the roll bar is still a little above my head, so she shoudl be fine. and as far as the extras, making her buy them would probably be the best bet, that way she'll take more care of the jeep.
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when I turned 16 (many years ago) my dad made me buy my first vehicle. I knew this for a long time before turning 16. His theory was if i bought it, I would take better care of it. Which I did, still ran it hard & fixed what I tore up. My son is turning 16 on Jan. 1. He wants my jeep really bad. I am debating letting him have it & buying me another one or finding a older one to give him. I think a jeep is a very good first vehicle. My son really likes it so I think he would take care of it. They are a little squirly in the snow, etc. if you are not careful , but any vehicle will get away from you if driving to fast for conditions. I am not 100 % positive on this but I think in Illinois they can only have 1 passenger in the vehicle with them ( unless it is family) until they turn 18. Which I think is a good law.
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She is home now from 5 weeks away and still wanting the jeep-she actually wants the 4 door - I am still torn but the more I think about it I'll probably get it for her but i told her when her gas is out -not to come running -just to park it and find a ride-I plan to give her gas allowance each month and she plans to babysit on weekends. I think that i have finally realized it is safer than most of those smaller cars and she tells me she isn't going on off roads so hopefully it will work out. Thanks for all of your help in this decision.
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...she tells me she isn't going on off roads so hopefully it will work out. Thanks for all of your help in this decision.
My daughter told me the same thing...
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are the tops included in the price? or extra?
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If the owner has them they are usually included. Mine actually came with a full soft top and all hardware for it along with a summer combo. Ask just to be sure.
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gas allowance?!?! if she works, she pays! if she PLAY's she pays! the safest thing about a vehicle w/ bad gas milage is they cant afford to fill it. get it for her because you know it's kool as hell! i teach my daughter straight about what happens to flesh on pavement, or what happens to kids or girls for trusting someone out of the norm... anyway, my point is if you have taught your girl(im sure you have) the reality of the world... she'll be just fine. she may have herself alittle fun, but you will be in the back of her mind. but now about the four door.....ewww gross!
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when I turned 16 (many years ago) my dad made me buy my first vehicle. I knew this for a long time before turning 16. His theory was if i bought it, I would take better care of it. Which I did, still ran it hard & fixed what I tore up. My son is turning 16 on Jan. 1. He wants my jeep really bad. I am debating letting him have it & buying me another one or finding a older one to give him. I think a jeep is a very good first vehicle. My son really likes it so I think he would take care of it. They are a little squirly in the snow, etc. if you are not careful , but any vehicle will get away from you if driving to fast for conditions. I am not 100 % positive on this but I think in Illinois they can only have 1 passenger in the vehicle with them ( unless it is family) until they turn 18. Which I think is a good law.
not quite, if you got your liscense before Jan 1st, 2008 it was 6 months with only 1 person. And after Jan 1st, its a year for 1 other person. And unlimited family...where you at in IL?
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She is home now from 5 weeks away and still wanting the jeep-she actually wants the 4 door - I am still torn but the more I think about it I'll probably get it for her but i told her when her gas is out -not to come running -just to park it and find a ride-I plan to give her gas allowance each month and she plans to babysit on weekends. I think that i have finally realized it is safer than most of those smaller cars and she tells me she isn't going on off roads so hopefully it will work out. Thanks for all of your help in this decision.
Baby sitting, that sometimes can be good money, tell her to check out starbucks, they are great for part timers with vacation pay, really flexible and generally pay well. My daughter works in one, she goes to Temple univ, currently she is using my XJ but only because it's philly and I want her to have 4 doors that lock [temple is surrounded by really nasty neighborhoods].
During the summers she works 60 hours a week by filling in at 5 or 6 other starbucks stores, not to mention she brings home bags of coffee every other week so I'm spoiled, even have a burr grinder and all
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In high school, I had two types of friends with Jeeps; those who drove like idiots and rolled them regularly, and those who didn't act like idiots and hardly ever wrecked.

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i got my jeep when i was fifteen.

she will be fine as long as she is responsible and not stupid.
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They are closing a bunch of the Starbucks around here. Some new stores are even getting the axe.
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i got my jeep when i was fifteen.

she will be fine as long as she is responsible and not stupid.
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For a "first" car - something boring and relatively new, with air bags and a modern safety system. A year down the road and no problems, and proven responsibility, something with more bling.

Hopefully you live in an area with the graduated licensing, where young drivers can not take equally young passengers. The collective IQ of teenagers has a strong tendency to drop as the number of teens in a group increases. A teen, driving alone, is MUCH less likely to do something thoughtless.

We raced cars when our son was young, so he was brought up into racing and then carting. It made him a good driver, but somewhat reckless. His first car was my 1982 Audi 4000 (2 years older than he was), which had 200,000 miles on it. He'd had custody of it for 6 months when he took it for an inverted flight on a logging road. (Ahhh, those are the phone calls parents live for: "Uhhh, Mom? I have a problem....")

I can't stress modern safety equipment enough, though. I got t-boned by someone who ran a light - the police estimate he was going 50 when he hit me in the passenger door. I was shaken, but got out completely unharmed. My car was totalled. He wasn't so lucky.

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