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Old 04-09-2008, 11:54 AM   #1
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Side Mirror Confusion

Today, (the second "good" day this Spring), I dropped the top and took off the doors...
Not so unusual to most of you in here, but guess what..depending on which Public Service Office you talk to (local Police, Motor Vehicle, State Police), some will stop you for not having your side mirrors on (don't know how many years its been that the side mirrors are mounted on the doors).
I called around to all the above mentioned Public Service Departments, including 3 different Municiple Police Departments, (North Haven, Meriden and Wallingford), two State Police Departments, (Connecticut and Rhode Island) and two Motor Vehicle Departments (Connecticut & Rhode Island).
For the most part, all said "there is no law on the books requiring side mirrors," and "as long as your rear-view mirror is useable and in place, and everyone is wearing seat belts, you're good to go."
There WERE two of these Departments that said otherwise. My local town Police and the Connecticut State Police. Our local Police couldn't site the law they were basing their determination on, but the Connecticut State Police cited 14-99 & 14-285 in the Connecticut State General Statutes.
I took the time to look up these statutes and one (14-99) refers to vehicles with "Commercial" licenses (which the Wrangler does not have), and the other (14-285) refers to "non-motorized vehicles."
So obviously the State Police Officer who made the statement was all wet, and the Local PD is simply not intelligently informed.
Be that as it may, as far as I'm concerned, everyone needs to get on the same page, to avoid 100's of us ending up with traffic citations that are not valide. Over-flowing the courts with ridiculous cases that have no merit.
So I e-mailed my State Senator, and my Local State Representative, to ask them if they might consider promoting a modification to 14-99 and 14-285 that speaks directly to the issue of vehicles which (like the Wrangler) are designed (and have been since WW II) to ride without the doors and side mirrors.
Your thoughts, suggestions, ideas, appreciated...ever been stopped and/or ticketed for this? What can you tell me about the "hassle" factor regarding this issue?

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Old 04-09-2008, 01:16 PM   #2
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I just took off the doors and don't worry a bout it.

Worst case it will be a warning.

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Old 04-09-2008, 01:18 PM   #3
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I think that moving the mirrors to relocation brackets would be easier than moving City Hall. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:46 PM   #4
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Now they going to make something about not having doors!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like put us a big fine or make us to pay a permit!! since their budget is going down!!
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:58 PM   #5
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just roll with it. if you get a ticket, go to court and ask for what law you're breaking. if you havent found anyone to cite it properly yet, noone in court will either.....
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:53 PM   #6
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Like I've got time to waste in a courtroom!

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Old 04-09-2008, 05:59 PM   #7
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Two things to keep in mind... if you don't give them any other reason to pull you over, most LEO's won't be looking closely enough to see if you have them or not, and even if they do notice, chances are they don't know the statute either, so they are unlikely to pull you over just for that.

That having been said, get a pair of relocation brackets and some cheap mirrors and slap 'em on. No law can force you to use them, and if you can't see anything in them, who cares, right?
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:39 PM   #8
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I think that moving the mirrors to relocation brackets would be easier than moving City Hall. Just my 2 cents.
Exactly! just get some cheap mirror thet you can put on the door hinge on the drivers side so you don't get hassled
Will cost you a lot less than having to fight a ticket even if you do win
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Like I've got time to waste in a courtroom!

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live a little. roll the dice. odds are better than not that you wont find the 1 in 100 cop who will give you a ticket for you. and besides, you have the time to call every law enforcement agency in the state but not go to court?
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Old 04-10-2008, 09:13 AM   #10
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Screw it..I've got bigger issues to hassle with...I've done my bit..if I don't get any feedback from the Senator or State Legislator, so be it. At least I took a stand!

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Old 04-10-2008, 09:28 AM   #11
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i did this a few days ago: http://www.4x4xplor.com/doorless-mirror.html

cost about $35 and took about an hour in total. really simple too.
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Old 04-10-2008, 04:27 PM   #12
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spanky: Interesting option. I could use the existing door hinge for the install without any hassle I suppose.

I DID note this: "To prevent your dome light from staying on, open your glove box and remove Fuse #4"

I don't remember my dome light coming on, or staying on, when I removed the doors?...

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I went through the whole side mirror mess a few months ago and finally decided to just run without them. I always look over my shoulder anyway before changing lanes to the issue of visibilty was a problem for me.

In Texas the law states that you only have to have one reward facing mirror. My rearview mirror covers that so I'm good.
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In Texas the law states that you only have to have one reward facing mirror. My rearview mirror covers that so I'm good.
Same for OHIO.
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Old 04-12-2008, 01:09 AM   #15
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well i guess this all depends on what your state law requires.
for example where i am in utah, you need at least a mirror on the drivers side.

personally even though i am only required by law to have the single mirror on the drivers side, i went ahead and made a mirror for the passenger side. (not to mention i still have my "rear view mirror" intact)
yes i look over my shoulders but i figured at the small cost making 2 mirrors... whats it gonna hurt? its not much $$ out of my pocket, it didnt take much time to do, its safer, im street legal, and well?? do i need any more reasons?
but i guess all you other states that dont require you to have a side mount mirror... uhhh well, guess you didnt need to read this! haha
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This whole issue may be "mute" for me, since I took the wife for an "easy-does-it" ride with the doors off, and top down.....

She wasn't very comfortable watching the road go by....

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Good info Scout

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I went through the whole side mirror mess a few months ago and finally decided to just run without them. I always look over my shoulder anyway before changing lanes to the issue of visibilty was a problem for me.

In Texas the law states that you only have to have one reward facing mirror. My rearview mirror covers that so I'm good.

Good to know thanks
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I saw a pic on this forum of a guy who installed motor cycle mirrors in the door hinges. I was so impressed that I bought a pair. They were only $17.77 for the pair on ebay. I can post pics when they get in.
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Holy OLD thread revival, Batman! :o
BTW, H-D long-stem mirrors in door hinges FTW! :-D

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