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Old 08-18-2010, 06:13 AM   #1
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Soft/Hard Slider Windows Versus Full Steel Doors

Okay gang. I have a really good option to buy some hard slider windows. However, my previous TJ had full steel doors, and this one has half doors.

I am in the dilema of not knowing which way to go. I want something besides my soft zip window uppers before wintertime for obvious reasons.
I have a black soft top and unless I run up on a heckuva deal, I have no plans to purchase a hard top.

But should I :

1. Get soft slider windows?
2. Get these hard slider windows?
3. Hold out and find some full steel doors for the winter?

I am not as worried about the price aspect, as I will hold out and find a good deal on whatever option I choose. I am more concerned about other reasons you would choose one way or the other.

I would like any thoughts about pros/cons of sliders, as I have never had those. Any and all advice is appreciated.

THANKS IN ADVANCE GANG!

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Old 08-18-2010, 07:23 AM   #2
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Hey Shell, I have soft zip uppers as well. The only think I know about sliders is the latching mechanism tends to break and isn't replaceable on the Bestop uppers, and the windows open from the back to the front, and they don't make a very large opening. Have you made window flapper stopper thingies? They make zippers pretty livable. I made some last year and used them constantly.... Cheap and easy, but I really don't mind the zippers. I mean, yeah occasionally they're a pain, but not enough that I'd be willing to fork over the cash for sliders.... JMO... Here's a pic of what I made.

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Old 08-18-2010, 07:34 AM   #3
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I have ran my soft uppers for 15 years and don't mind it at all. I do like "Infernos" zipper things....think it's todays project!
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Thanks, guys! What about the plastic on the zipper windows cracking in the cold months--freezing up, etc. Ever had any problem with this?

Linda-that is an ingenious idea....
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OK-one other question: Relocating mirrors. I love the CJ look aftermarket mirrors in black. However, I hear mixed reviews about the vibration at high speeds affecting visibility. Or, should I get the relocation brackets for when I run no doors and just move the stock mirrors? Thoughts?
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Thanks Shell, not my idea, I stole it from some forum or another, it works quite well for such a simple design.

As far as mirrors go, most folks use motorcycle mirrors in the hinge holes. If you go with relocation brackets you have some challenges ahead, first one is removing the bolts to install them. Every single person I've read about ends up stripping at least one, and usually lots of them, making it even harder to get them out. And once the relocation brackets are in place, the passenger side mirror is virtually useless with the doors on, and not much better with them off. Just some things to keep in mind....
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Thanks, Linda. I have a Harley dealership 1 block from my house and went and took a look this week at those. Unfortunately, the mirrors are so small, I think they would be pointless except to make it "Legal". Plus, they were $20/mirror, so I may as well get the larger CJ type mirrors for $45 if I go that route. The relocation brackets are about that price, too--so I can't decide! But I have heard the same thing about the passenger mirror being useless...UGH!!!

I guess I will opt for the CJ drop in mirrors for the door hinges and see how that does. Worst case scenario, I can resell them on craigslist or here.

Maybe I can rig the window thing like you did with some small bungies? I could try that today and see how it works for me. Summer is not an issue--I don't mind the zippers, its just I was worried about cracking when they are cold.
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As long as the Jeep is warm, I don't see any problem with them cracking. I wouldn't go bending them if the Jeep had been sitting outside in 4* for 12 hours, before warming it up....
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OK-that sounds reasonable. I will try that this season and see how it goes. THANKS!

Now on to the mirror issue!
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I use to have a 97 TJ and had the sliding glass windows. LOVED THEM!!! Yeah the opening is not the big but in the winter are your windows really open, and they are easy enough to take off when its nice out and then you have just the half door which is sweet. Also makes the Jeep (IMO) feel almost like an old land rover.
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I have a 98 and run soft sliders in winter, but like the regular soft uppers when it get warm. Snow cleans off of the glass easier and I like the look. But in the summer they don't open enough and they are heaver to pull and toss in the back. I like the option of having both.
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Full steel doors are awesome IMO there is no other. I dont like the sliders.
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Thanks! Now with the last 3 posts, I am more confused than ever!!!

I think if I can run across some used full steel doors for a really good price, I may go that route just for winter use--and then put my half-doors with zippy soft uppers back on in the summer. Its just so easy to pull half doors off in a flash when you want to run naked. When I had full steel doors on my other TJ, I only took the doors off 3 times the entire time I owned it (about 3 years).

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