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Old 02-28-2006, 10:47 AM   #1
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stick vs auto?. need advice.

hello again. got the official go ahead from my wife to buy a wrangler after i somehow kill the transport. wanted to ask the experts for some advice so i know more about what options to look for. thanks in advance for any input.

had mentioned earlier i'm planning a couple long distance trips a year, very mild of roading, and short daily commute vehicle for my wife.

any major disadvantage to going with an automatic vs a stick?. i suppose if your really into MAJOR offroading a stick is best but i'm not up for that for now. auto's are a little easier to use at times and unless a stick is needed for a specific application i'm not sure i really need one. also is mpg greatly reduced with an automatic?.

due to the amount of street/highway use the wrangler will get would you say a 3:07 to 1 ratio with tall factory tires is a good choice?. i see 411's etc offered but would bet thats a bit steep gearing for my intended use?. also 411's i assume really decrease mpg which isn't that great to start with. from what i've read the six speed stick is pretty much standard so wondered if perhaps there are some major disavantages to the auto, especially with taller tires and a 3:07 rato.

one last question then i'll stop nagging. would you say the resale value is good on wrangler?. if not a good used one is pbly a smart buy. if they hold their value well, say like a harley, new may be the smartest purchase.

i'll probably start keeping my eyes open for a new, or good low miliage used one, drive a few, and ask alot of questions. thanks again for educating me a bit, it's greatly appreciated.

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I'd say the choice between stick and auto is just personal preference. I think the gas mileage in both is probably about the same. (poor) A stick is more work but I prefer the control and a little bit added power it gives. It is a pain in stop and go traffic or when trying to talk on the phone (yeah, handsfree helps) but it works for me.

With a 6cyl you really don't need the 4:11s. I got the 3:73 rear and am pleased with it. The auto with the 3:07 might be kinda weak, so go for the 3:73s.

Resale value? I didn't know people got rid of jeeps. I plan on keeping mine a long long time.

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Yup, me personally I love rock crawling with my auto.
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This is my second TJ the first and SE with a manual the second is in my signature. I have wheeled both and my preference is the auto just put it in 4lo and first and go. With gearing myself going with 4.10's andd 33's seems good for me. Buying used or new that is a personal preference I bought my first one new the second used got a fairly good deal but the miles were so low that I could not pass it up. Gas mileage hehe I get roughly 14-16 mpg. Good luck with your decision.
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When I was in the market, I was thinking I would buy "used" (too quick depreciation on new vehicles) but when I researched the Wrangler, I was astounded at how it held it's value, so I bought new. We got a great deal on Frank's Rubicon.....we bought it used. I think the gearing and transmission choices are determined by personal use. We have both: higher & lower gears. I've chosen to switch my transfer case to lower my gears for a little rock crawling, and keep the ratio higher for daily driving.

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Old 02-28-2006, 09:35 PM   #6
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Go for the auto. It's better. I wish I had it in mine.
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Old 03-01-2006, 09:55 AM   #7
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well it pays to ask the right people. i'm pretty sure i will like an automatic more than a stick. also will stay with 373's or perhaps 411's depending on tire size and what rpm 411's run at 65mph. i like the size tires southtj has on his picture (nice looking jeep) and wouldn't want to go any smaller. alot of jeeps i see driving around town look to me like they need bigger tires.
looks like new or near new depending on price and my finances.

anyway i better actually take a test drive. could be a real eye opener.

as always thank you and i'm jealous, for now, won't be long though.
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well it pays to ask the right people. i'm pretty sure i will like an automatic more than a stick. also will stay with 373's or perhaps 411's depending on tire size and what rpm 411's run at 65mph. i like the size tires southtj has on his picture (nice looking jeep) and wouldn't want to go any smaller. alot of jeeps i see driving around town look to me like they need bigger tires.
looks like new or near new depending on price and my finances.

anyway i better actually take a test drive. could be a real eye opener.

as always thank you and i'm jealous, for now, won't be long though.
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Scott, the Rubicon model wrangler comes stock with 4.10 gearing in it. The other models vary but are usually 3.73 with the 6 cylinder. For your uses it won't really matter which one you have in yours if you aren't going any higher than 31" tires or so. I drove 6 cyl. with no lift and 31's on the stock 3.73 gears for over a year and it had no problems in the power dept.
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Old 03-02-2006, 03:08 PM   #10
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Scott, the Rubicon model wrangler comes stock with 4.10 gearing in it. The other models vary but are usually 3.73 with the 6 cylinder. For your uses it won't really matter which one you have in yours if you aren't going any higher than 31" tires or so. I drove 6 cyl. with no lift and 31's on the stock 3.73 gears for over a year and it had no problems in the power dept.
thanks 1BLKJP thats good to know especially coming from someone who's owned one. looks like 373's or 411's. for 31" tires either a rubican ($$$) or a less expensive model with 31's of some sort, from what i've read on the official jeep website the rubican is the only model that offers 31's. perhaps i can find a good used x series with 31's.

athough i do like the front and rear trac loc option available apparently only on the rubican.

turning into a chinese puzzle.

time for a test drive.

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Old 03-11-2006, 08:53 AM   #11
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Don't forget the most important aspect of any jeep, gear ratio's.
The stock rubicon transfer case has a four to one ratio in four low, vs. 2.73:1 in any other wrangler. That makes a world of difference when crawling, and trailing. The ability to control very slow movement, uphill or downhill. And you can not beat the 4.10's for being able to further control your slow speeds. It will also allow you to put 33" tires on without further re-gearing.
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just kinda taggin on here...are the stock gears in a 95 yj I-4 3.73 as well? i have 31's and they are fine on flat land but hills i have to drop down atleast one gear and it is gettin a lil frustrating...guess thats what i get untill i cant afford a small block
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just kinda taggin on here...are the stock gears in a 95 yj I-4 3.73 as well? i have 31's and they are fine on flat land but hills i have to drop down atleast one gear and it is gettin a lil frustrating...guess thats what i get untill i cant afford a small block
Your 2.5L engine should mean your gearing is 4.10. Having to downshift with 31" tires and the 2.5L engine is pretty normal
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athough i do like the front and rear trac loc option available apparently only on the rubican.
The Rubicon comes with front and rear selectable lockers. A Tracloc is a limited slip differential that is only available on non-Rubicons, which is way different from a locker.

Check out the two "stickies" at the top of http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/forum...sprune=10&f=27 for info on what lockers and limited slip differentials do.
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The Rubicon comes with front and rear selectable lockers. A Tracloc is a limited slip differential that is only available on non-Rubicons, which is way different from a locker.

Check out the two "stickies" at the top of http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/forum...sprune=10&f=27 for info on what lockers and limited slip differentials do.
thanks jerry i read through your post and it was very informative. admittedly i'm still having a little trouble figureing out what diferentual i would want in a wrangler. will the limited slip (front and rear) power all four tires (aparently not at the same time as they don't "lock") enough to pull at any given wheel?.
the vids i've watched show say one front tire spinning like crazy and the other just setting there. i would guess there is not a limited slip on the vehicle i'm watching.
the rubican is my first choice but also the most expensive choice. i'm trying to decide if a "limited slip" in a cheaper model would work for my aplication, which will involve mild off roading.
i shpould know this stuff as i have used an f250 4*4 on the farm for years, but to be honest i never really thought about exactly how it works.

thanks jerry and everyone for the input. nice forum

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read the rest of jerry's article and responses (my brain is starting to hurt). anyway may have answered some of my own questions. anyone care to compare their experiences with the limited slip trac loc vs the rubicon's selectable front and rear lockers?.

also as bluviking has pointed out i think i'll want 411's.

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