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Old 09-01-2012, 06:06 PM   #1
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Stock jeep abilities?

Hi - newbie here. Don't have a jeep yet. Here to learn and determine if I am ready to jump in. No car mechanical experience. Not looking to do heavy mods nor rock crawl. Just looking to do some mild/mod offloading and drive a sweet looking vehicle
Probably would go with a JK. Not sure if Sport vs sahara vs rubicon. I think I would want some creature comforts (a/c) but don't need a touchscreen gps or heated seats or anything over the top. Think I would want to use the money saved for gas and offroad trips!
Seems like a Sport might be a good choice?Can a stock Sport handle mild/mod trails without any or much modifying. are bigger tires and a lift a necessity? How about lockers (only in a Rubicon)? Are there certain added options one would want to get at purchase that would make it a decent offload vehicle straight from the shop?

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a stock jeep straight off the lot could handle mild and even moderate trails given driver experience.

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Hi - newbie here. Don't have a jeep yet. Here to learn and determine if I am ready to jump in. No car mechanical experience. Not looking to do heavy mods nor rock crawl. Just looking to do some mild/mod offloading and drive a sweet looking vehicle
Probably would go with a JK. Not sure if Sport vs sahara vs rubicon. I think I would want some creature comforts (a/c) but don't need a touchscreen gps or heated seats or anything over the top. Think I would want to use the money saved for gas and offroad trips!
Seems like a Sport might be a good choice?Can a stock Sport handle mild/mod trails without any or much modifying. are bigger tires and a lift a necessity? How about lockers (only in a Rubicon)? Are there certain added options one would want to get at purchase that would make it a decent offload vehicle straight from the shop?
A stock Jeep is more capable off-road than just about any other vehicle you can buy, regardless of whether it's a Sport, a Sahara or a Rubicon. Yes, the Rubi has more wheeling capability than the others right outta the box. But it depends more on driver knowledge than on what Jeep you've got.

Unless you're planning on some fairly hardcore wheeling, I'd recommend that you drive your Jeep bone stock for awhile, just to find out what it'll do (okay, maybe add some slush mats and fuzzy dice...whatever). I think you'll be pretty shocked. I've seen stock TJ's and JK's plow right through or over obstacles that other modded-out SUV's and pickup trucks couldn't handle.

A lift and bigger tires will help you with clearance. Depending on the tire, you'll probably have better traction in snow, mud and sand. But there are also drawbacks: initial expense, decreased mileage, increased weight, possible need for more maintenance...

If you get bitten hard by the off-road bug (which is not uncommon), you can always mod the hell out of your Sport.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:06 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info. I have no offroad experience but would probably try to attend a offroad driving class. Unfortunately I have a long wait ahead of me as I have to save up before I can actually get one. Loving the forum though and learning a lot!
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From what I've heard, the break limited diff. works pretty well. I wouldn't rely to heavily on it, but it can't hurt. Just make sure you have some good AT/MT/etc tires.
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From what I've heard, the break limited diff. works pretty well. I wouldn't rely to heavily on it, but it can't hurt. Just make sure you have some good AT/MT/etc tires.
Sorry can you clarify. I am just learning about this differential stuff. I know that lockers (only in rubicons?) allow a wheel with loss of traction to continue to get power. Sport don't have lockers. Do they have something else that helps in cases of loss of traction in one wheel? Is break-limited differential same as limited-slip differential?
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Sorry can you clarify. I am just learning about this differential stuff. I know that lockers (only in rubicons?) allow a wheel with loss of traction to continue to get power. Sport don't have lockers. Do they have something else that helps in cases of loss of traction in one wheel? Is break-limited differential same as limited-slip differential?
A brake limited slip is computer controled, when the computer senses there is a will spinning it will apply brakes to that wheel it turn sends power to the other wheel.

A limited slip differential is a mechanical lsd it uses clutch packs to send power to the wheen that needs it
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Beat me to it cma! Dont forget you can always get a cheap locker, like a lunch box locker.
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So a break-limited differential is manually controlled? And Sports come with those? And you are it may be enough for some not too difficult offroading but possibly not?
Thanks for you patience!
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So a break-limited differential is manually controlled? And Sports come with those? And you are it may be enough for some not too difficult offroading but possibly not?
Thanks for you patience!
No a brake lsd is automatic, computer controlled but you can turn it off. A lsd is not as good as a locker but its better than a open diff. Idk what models come with either lsd but Im sure a jk owner will chime in sooner or later. But a lsd should get you out of most situations.
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You will be very surprised where a stock jeep will go. My dad has a CJ completely stock other than 32 inch tires. He has only been stuck 1 time in 20+ years of wheeling.
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My friends call my JKU a mountian goat. Its all stock and its amazing where it goes even with the stock tires on it.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:50 AM   #13
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oops i meant to ask if a limited-slip differential was manual as opposed to computerized but anyways i get the idea! good to know a stock can go almost anywhere. being unexperienced i think it makes more sense to start with the basics and go from there.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:55 AM   #14
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oops i meant to ask if a limited-slip differential was manual as opposed to computerized but anyways i get the idea! good to know a stock can go almost anywhere. being unexperienced i think it makes more sense to start with the basics and go from there.
Two things to make your wheeling education more enjoyable: don't go alone, and make sure that someone (either you, or someone with you) has some reliable recovery gear. That can be a winch, snatch straps and D-rings, a comealong...just something to pull you out if you get stuck.

Much more fun than leaving your Jeep in a brown mud pit and hiking out.
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Here's a link that should answer some of your questions: 2012 wrangler sport capable off-road?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:12 AM   #16
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hey there this is the OP. i changed to a different profile with a more anonymous name. (not quite sure how to unsubscribe that other acct?) thanks for the info. one more question - i'm seeing a lot of posts about re-gearing. i'm getting the impression that is unnecessary unless i plan to do some hard off-roading. but i also read about people re-gearing when they get bigger tires. would somebody mind clarifying? you all suggest tires with better traction. is better better as well? would bigger require re-gearing or what is the biggest you would recommend that doesn't require regearing?
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Yes, you should re-gear when you go bigger A stock jeep can wheel very well. There is not really a need for a lift other then looks. Re-gearing depends on Engine size, trans, and tires. I ran 4.11s on my SE TJ with the ax5 trans and 2.5L for sometime, I thru on some 33x10.5s and it was sluggish but not horrible. However 5th gear on an incline could not be used. I would suggest wheel'n your jeep just how it is. That way you can get used to it, if you do any mods it should be tires(they don't need to be bigger) and skid plates. With strong enough skid plates you can drive/slide over or be pulled over anything. A locker will help but it not needed at all. Mainly depends on how you drive offroad.
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Yes, you should re-gear when you go bigger A stock jeep can wheel very well. There is not really a need for a lift other then looks. Re-gearing depends on Engine size, trans, and tires. I ran 4.11s on my SE TJ with the ax5 trans and 2.5L for sometime, I thru on some 33x10.5s and it was sluggish but not horrible. However 5th gear on an incline could not be used. I would suggest wheel'n your jeep just how it is. That way you can get used to it, if you do any mods it should be tires(they don't need to be bigger) and skid plates. With strong enough skid plates you can drive/slide over or be pulled over anything. A locker will help but it not needed at all. Mainly depends on how you drive offroad.
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The best thing for you to do is get some seat time on the trails before contemplating any mods
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Is like the first time you wheel as a driver, you will be impressed how the jeep clears obstacles that you just thought were imposible for a "car" to cross, and from then on, you will have lots of fun with your jeep before bigger tires become a "really necessary" upgrade, because lift tires and all other mods are in your head since the first day you drive it haha.
4LO is magic, moderate rocks, mud, sand it clears everything with no limits, except if you get stucked by the belly, or diffs; but there is ALWAYS a good line were everyone can pass, just need some experience, good imagination and asume that by the first year it will be full o scratches, so consider a white, my other jeep was dark green and every time I went offroading my dad yelled at me "you don't care about how much this things cost!" now it doesn't look that bad in a white, from a distance is always new and bright haha
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now it doesn't look that bad in a white, from a distance is always new and bright haha
Unless Its covered in mud

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