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Old 11-17-2007, 09:47 PM   #1
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strongest aftermarket bumper?

lookin for something that'll withstand (or at least protect my front end) utility poles... preferably while going around 50mph... im leaning towards just welding a section of I-beam across if it doesnt get scrapped first...

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Old 11-17-2007, 09:56 PM   #2
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I think at that point, you are talking about frame bracing/connectors/strengthing etc. But bumper wise, not really sure. Don't even know why I am posting, just boored I guess, but frame strengthing is deffinately going to come into play when your talking about poles at 50. I saw a Jeep wack these little 3 foot wooden poles near my hose when he was doing like 60. Bumper held up decent, frame was a pretzel

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Old 11-17-2007, 10:02 PM   #3
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well, the front points of the frame bowed out, (that i noticed) but i didnt get a good look underneath... which also makes me wonder about my axles...

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Dare I ask why you are smacking t-poles at 50mph?.........
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Old 11-17-2007, 11:34 PM   #5
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Dare I ask why you are smacking t-poles at 50mph?.........
X2..........My thought was just don't hit the pole and it won't be an issue.......
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X2..........My thought was just don't hit the pole and it won't be an issue.......
X2 dont hit poles at 50mph
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i dont plan on hitting t-poles again, but if i ever did, i dont wanna go through all this crap again (possibly losing my jeep to get totaled...)

and i fell asleep coming back from work
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After that kind of impact, it's likely the only thing left would be the I- beam! If you hit a pole at that speed and nothing gives, you'll be dead anyhow from the forces transferred to your body, so it's kind of a trade off! I'm no physics major, but I'm pretty sure the forces involoved in coming to a complete stop from 50 instantly would be far more than the body can withstand, an accident like that involves a lot of force, no bumper is designed to withstand that, and the bodies are designed to absorb the force, thereby sacrificing itself to prevent that force from being transferred to you. IIRC, 50 mph crash is roughly equivalent to falling off a 10 story building, without any protection, so if the Jeep doesn't deform to protect you, do you think you can handle that?
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:43 PM   #9
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my smittybilt is 1/4" thick...but thats my rear bumper although they make front ones
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:31 PM   #10
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...and i fell asleep coming back from work
Its called pulling over to the side of the road and taking a nap...

I just got a guy the other night for falling asleep at the wheel, he was wide awake after I gave him the fine and had his wife come get him in the middle of the night after I towed his car.

I hate it when people put others on the road at risk cause they are drunk/tired or other...
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as far as the pole went, i went through it, had my seatbelt on, the airbags deployed, but i didnt hit them... the only "injury" i have (still) is a tender right shin... other then that i made it out quite lucky...
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Its called pulling over to the side of the road and taking a nap...

I just got a guy the other night for falling asleep at the wheel, he was wide awake after I gave him the fine and had his wife come get him in the middle of the night after I towed his car.

I hate it when people put others on the road at risk cause they are drunk/tired or other...
I'm thinking you should have wacked him with the taser when he failed to comply. That would wake his dumb ass up. Out here where I am it's the damn crack heads and drunk drivers you have to watch out for.
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After that kind of impact, it's likely the only thing left would be the I- beam! If you hit a pole at that speed and nothing gives, you'll be dead anyhow from the forces transferred to your body, so it's kind of a trade off! I'm no physics major, but I'm pretty sure the forces involoved in coming to a complete stop from 50 instantly would be far more than the body can withstand, an accident like that involves a lot of force, no bumper is designed to withstand that, and the bodies are designed to absorb the force, thereby sacrificing itself to prevent that force from being transferred to you. IIRC, 50 mph crash is roughly equivalent to falling off a 10 story building, without any protection, so if the Jeep doesn't deform to protect you, do you think you can handle that?
He's right. There are ligaments in your body that hold organ to bone and when you apply that much force to a body there are likely 2 things that will happen.
1. Your ligament of Trendz will tear your liver in half
2. Your Aorta will dissect and you'll bleed out into your abdomen.

either way you need you vehicle body to give to keep you alive, or just be a good driver and don't get into accidents. (I know, they happen, but they are preventable.)

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Its called pulling over to the side of the road and taking a nap...

I just got a guy the other night for falling asleep at the wheel, he was wide awake after I gave him the fine and had his wife come get him in the middle of the night after I towed his car.

I hate it when people put others on the road at risk cause they are drunk/tired or other...
And I agree with you on this. Don't be selfish and put others at risk because the alternative is not convenient for you. Auto manufacturers are making vehicles safer now then they ever have been. Please don't make my job any harder than it has to be. I don't want to scrape you off the pavement and I'd hate to pronounce a fellow jeeper (or anyone really) on scene.
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I'm thinking you should have wacked him with the taser when he failed to comply. That would wake his dumb ass up. Out here where I am it's the damn crack heads and drunk drivers you have to watch out for.
he was compliant most of the time until I told him I was towing his car... ya we've been doing alot of DUI stops lately out in this area along with a ton of meth busts. I just can't see why people like that meth stuff, after seeing what it does to people and their lives you would think that it would be going down but no just continues to go up.
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Old 11-21-2007, 09:06 PM   #16
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i will get you a 5ft piece of railroad rail for a bumper
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:15 AM   #17
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When the body comes to a complete stop the internal organs stress and shear against themselves. TeeJay is mostly correct that you will have a dissecting Aorta, but when the Ligamentum Arteriosum tears you bleed out into your chest cavity and plenty out the mouth. You have about 3 seconds to be in the OR if you are to survive and the Cardio Thoracic Surgeon must be ready with grafting material to fix it or you die. Superman anyone? I am thankful for crumple zones in modern cars.... makes for much less of a mess coming into my ER!!!!
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i really should've known better, bottom line.... and yeah, i'm an emt (my co-worker thought i was bein a wacker when i was standing across the street from the wreck...) (i was under wires otherwise i would have stayed put)

though, in regards to crumple zones the only things that crumpled were the bumper and front grille and hood... the grille didnt go into the radiator.... i just got a lucky pole as it were...
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It's called Newton's first law of Motion. "An object in motion will stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force." They are right about bleeding to death, that is if you don't get thrown through the windshield from your body still traveling at 50mph. then if you are thrown through the windshield your mortality rate just increased by 70%. There are a lot of interesting facts in my Paramedic books.
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O.K. so you fell asleep and hit a pole and now you want to know how to strengthen your bumper.

Tests have shown that you need these crumple zones. Strengthening your bumper will do nothing except damage your body. I.E. Dale Earnhardt. He didnd't die from the wreck...he died due to interia from the car hitting the wall. The car didn't give enough.

Indy cars have led the way with this knowledge. There is great info out there with regards to what damage takes place to the body with more rigid cars vs crumple zone cars.
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I'd take a pole at 50mph w/ my jeeperman lol.

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tiger, according to your sig, both my jeep and that pole needed to be replaced lol

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