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Old 10-21-2011, 08:57 PM   #31
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Yeah. That statement makes total sense.
I'm not sure if that is supposed to be sarcastic or not. In case it is, here's the story:

Did the Obama White House Authorize Gun Smuggling into Mexico? | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal

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Old 10-21-2011, 09:07 PM   #32
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Thats retarded. The US gov. was using the guns to track them to the big shots in the cartels, and then kill them. Except the plan backfired. Just because the gov is stupid doesnt mean it was doing the smuggling. Don't distort facts.

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Old 10-21-2011, 09:14 PM   #33
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I agree that that operation was idiotic. Completely. My dad and I actually discussed it today. But that in no way means the gov't is a drug/ arms dealer. That's my .02 and I'll leave it at that
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It was a good idea if they had followed it through correctly. Personally I would have just dropped a couple bombs on the cartel complexes, and been done with it. Don't know how we can screw up that bad.
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Old 10-21-2011, 09:18 PM   #35
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Thats retarded. The US gov. was using the guns to track them to the big shots in the cartels, and then kill them. Except the plan backfired. Just because the gov is stupid doesnt mean it was doing the smuggling. Don't distort facts.
If you or I or anyone else outside the government had facilitated putting guns in the hands of people who we KNEW were taking them illegally into Mexico and it was traced back to us we would be in jail right now for smuggling guns across the border. Just because they weren't driving the trucks doesn't mean they aren't just as guilty. To think otherwise is absurdly idealistic and naive.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:57 PM   #36
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I'm really sorry to hear about your Jeep... makes me wish even more that we could just blow all of mexico to kingdom come and rebuild... we all know they do it anyways already, why not help in their demise?
That's just a moronic statement in more ways than one.
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:37 AM   #37
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If you or I or anyone else outside the government had facilitated putting guns in the hands of people who we KNEW were taking them illegally into Mexico and it was traced back to us we would be in jail right now for smuggling guns across the border. Just because they weren't driving the trucks doesn't mean they aren't just as guilty. To think otherwise is absurdly idealistic and naive.

Its not naive, its realistic. It's not our job to peform sting operations. And it wasn't even the legislative government it was some firearms, tobacco, alcohal agency or something. It is their job to do what they did. You comparing the a government sting to regular people giving illegals guns, just makes no sense. Have a little sense of patriotic duty and respect your country. At least we are trying to do something about the problem, even if it did backfire and was a stupid plan from the begining. The guy in charge of the whole operation is most likely losing his job along with several others, so there is punishment being dealt within the gov.
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:44 AM   #38
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Its not naive, its realistic. It's not our job to peform sting operations. And it wasn't even the legislative government it was some firearms, tobacco, alcohal agency or something. It is their job to do what they did. You comparing the a government sting to regular people giving illegals guns, just makes no sense. Have a little sense of patriotic duty and respect your country. At least we are trying to do something about the problem, even if it did backfire and was a stupid plan from the begining. The guy in charge of the whole operation is most likely losing his job along with several others, so there is punishment being dealt within the gov.
The law is the law regardless of who they are or who they work for. They don't get a pass just because they're with BATFE. From what you've said so far, if an undercover agent had to kill an innocent civilian to maintain their cover you would be completely OK with that. This is the same situation to a lesser degree. "By any means necessary" does not apply to this sort of operation.

If I remember correctly from another thread you are either in highschool or just got out. If that is correct, I have more time in service to my country than you have time on planet. You are in no place, nor will you ever be, to tell me about patriotic duty and respect for my country.
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Old 10-25-2011, 02:13 AM   #39
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Initially I was gonna jump on oilwell. Then I read what golden wrote, so I had to edit it. I think that argument is going nowhere fast
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Old 03-24-2012, 02:34 AM   #40
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UPDATE: I got my Jeep back!!!

In case anyone comes along and reads this old thread, here's an update:

I got my Jeep back, but it took a while. Apparently, the State cops were fighting the Federal cops over which of them would get to keep my Jeep. In the end, State Farm's Mexican liaison convinced them to give it back.

It wasn't in too bad of shape, all things considered. The car thieves had only broken the passenger door lock and ripped open the steering column. But while it sat for three weeks in a Tijuana impound lot, other thieves stole everything that wasn't nailed down and a few things that were, like floor mats, owner's manual, even the cover to the jack compartment. (WTH are they going to do with that?!!) And the dash was damaged where they tried unsuccessfully to pry out the factory-installed navigation touch screen.

After three more weeks at the local dealership, she's good as new...almost. Even after professional detailing and shampooing, there's this funky smell, like a wet dog. It's not too bad though, only noticeable when the Jeep's been sitting closed up for a few days.

The day I got it back I had it outfitted with the best security system I could find starting with hood locks, which should be every Jeep owner's first line of defense. The first thing these thieves did was lift the hood and pull the horn wire, instantly neutralizing the factory-installed alarm. After that, they can punch out the door lock and take their time bypassing the rest of the Sentry system. Even in a busy college parking lot with regular security patrols, nobody heard or saw a thing. (It kills me to know that a simple $30 pair of hood locks would have made those thieves ignore my Jeep and pick an easier target.)

I also got additional kill switches, interior sensors (for when the top's off), tilt sensors (so they can't quietly pull it onto a flatbed), 1-mile paging key fob, plus automatic arming in case I forget.

Yeah, all that security cost a small fortune, BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING MY BABY AGAIN!!!

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Wow, good to hear you got it back!
I hate thieves with a passion, scum of the earth.
Glad you got everything worked out, most people don't see their babies again.
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Amazing!!
Congrats on getting your Jeep back!

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Old 05-15-2012, 08:17 AM   #43
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Alohagirl...Glad you got your jeep back. I'm doing research on the Sentry Key Lock System and any instances where they were successfully bypassed. Do you have any info on how they actually did it? Does anyone else here know of any others like this or any places to look to find out about instances such as this?

If you use a bypass to install a remote starter will that enable the vehicle to be stolen?

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Alohagirl...Glad you got your jeep back. I'm doing research on the Sentry Key Lock System and any instances where they were successfully bypassed. Do you have any info on how they actually did it? Does anyone else here know of any others like this or any places to look to find out about instances such as this?

If you use a bypass to install a remote starter will that enable the vehicle to be stolen?

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simple answer yes witha remote start they need a chipped key or a box that prgrams in the sentry code so the vehicle can start (it requires to read the sentry code before starting) so in theory it can become easier to steal then again if a theif is going to go through the work of wiring diagrams and researching it probably wont matter there going to get the jeep. unless you plan on having a armed gaurd inside your jeep 24/7 it is ALWAYS at risk to be stolen regardless of alarm or security measures the old saying "if someone wants it bad enough"


Glad you got your jeep back truely a crazy story you are one of the few to get there baby back after crossing mexico border im sure

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