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Old 04-23-2010, 03:00 AM   #1
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This is why you wear your seatbelt.

So I don't know this group of people. I am 99 percent sure it was nobody from here. So I am going to bash a little bit on this too.
If you are going to be a spotter. I have a rule to this- if the person leading the pack needs a spotter to get over/thru a obstacle he/she shouldn't be leading on that particular trail. I know we all started somewhere but in this video you see a LOT of bad driving and really bad spotting. So wear your seatbelt, Have a decent spotter



So my mean comment for the night/day. Who was directing Ray charles?

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Old 04-23-2010, 03:37 AM   #2
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Thats a pretty terrifying video, While watching it in slow mo, My tactic at 3:58 would have been to turn driver side more and straighten out. That hill on the passenger side is what really started the roll

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what a terrible video you hate to see that but that could have been easily avoided... unless that trail was much harder then it looked they should have easily been able to get down the trail especially with a spotter but it looked like neither the spotter nor the driver really knew what they were doing at all... sad to see that
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First anyone at anytime might need to be spotted depending on the trail, even the trail leader. 2nd if that was the best spotter they had, he needs some more training. However it also comes down to the driver, if the driver does not feel the route the spotter is giving them is good the driver needs to speak up, which is harder for new Jeepers as they put a lot of faith in the spotter. I know as a trail leader on harder areas I would gather the group of drivers, and talk about how we get over, around up or down the section that I felt would be an issue. Sure it might take a few mins more, but it helps to avoid problems like the one in the video.
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That was hard to watch,the spotter was a joke
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Old 04-23-2010, 06:21 AM   #6
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The Jeep held up remarkably well. The "spotter" told her exactly the wrong way to go. She could have saved it after the first roll, but it looked like she paniced and hit the gas. What was the guy holding the tow strap near the end thinking he was doing?
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Old 04-23-2010, 07:05 AM   #7
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I dont go offroad much... but I know I wouldn't want that guy telling me where to go... and why exactly did the lady continue up the hill when the ground leveled out... anyone ever think of a back up camera on the front for offroading... lol
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4Jeepn: I'd go wheelin with you ANY time!
That's how we do it too. If it's an unfamiliar area we walk it and discuss it and plan it out.

I thought she had it when the Jeep landed on it's wheels after the first flip. In a situation like that though everything would be happening so fast that the driver wouldn't have enough time to process that the Jeep was on all fours before things went terribly worse.

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Unbelievable I hope they made that spotter drive it out
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First anyone at anytime might need to be spotted depending on the trail, even the trail leader. 2nd if that was the best spotter they had, he needs some more training. However it also comes down to the driver, if the driver does not feel the route the spotter is giving them is good the driver needs to speak up, which is harder for new Jeepers as they put a lot of faith in the spotter. I know as a trail leader on harder areas I would gather the group of drivers, and talk about how we get over, around up or down the section that I felt would be an issue. Sure it might take a few mins more, but it helps to avoid problems like the one in the video.
Granted to the spotting but you know what I mean, if it gets stupid hard ya a spotter is needed but this video actually makes me mad.
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Maybe it's the EMT in me but I paid more attention to how they extracted her. The Kendricks extrication device is such a neat tool to play around with. They were originally designed for Midgit car racing and they have a loop on the back so you can be hooked up to a winch and pulled out through the roof.

She didn't look to be following any of his directions and he looked like he was conducting a symphony orchestra. Just glad no one got hurt too bad on scene.
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yeah there was a really good chance for observers to get hit especially when she took off down hill. Hopefully the lady was ok.
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In the slow motion it looked like he directed her to turn up the hill passanger side right into that hole. Why? If he would have just told the driver to turn to the drivers side. Maybe he had a life insurace policy on the driver. Thats the only reason I could see for directing the drive up a hill sideways into a hole.
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Loved the extraction as well. fantastic device, and good work by those guys.

regarding the spotting. I'm a offroading newb, and I said "what the hell is he doing with his hands?". I've seen plenty of spotting on vids, and they all made sense...his....well didn't. I said "wtf, no" somewhere around 8 times.

Jeep took the abuse rather well.
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That makes me sad on a couple different levels
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This was so hard to watch. The driver was almost as inexperienced as the spotter.

This will make a good educational video. I have already posted it in my Off-Road group's forums as we are about to go to the Big Dogs trail run this weekend near Winchester, VA
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I think you could put that music to any video to make it scary and suspenseful! And....poor Rubi
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Maybe the spotter was high?????
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I've done that hill a number of times. Wrong side for the experience level.
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wow. I have flipped mine but that wsa scary..I wonder if mine looked like that..but then I was on a highway and did more of an endo then a rollover and her rubi took it hella better then mine did..scary scary scary
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Turn that way and that way at the same time! Go backwards! Now sideways! Hop! Go faster. Slower. Turn your wheel to the left but move the Jeep to the right!


Actually, I usually hate all spotters. Club events with a spotter I've never met drive me nuts.


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What a waste of a perfectly good rubicon!... hey I thought I'd say it cause everyone already gave this thread the "wow" comments.
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What a waste of a perfectly good rubicon!... hey I thought I'd say it cause everyone already gave this thread the "wow" comments.
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That was cool! Did you see the jeep recover itself after the roll? I've done that hill (and that side) up and down and never expected (nor tried!) to put it sideways mid-hill like that.

I can't believe that it didn't just tumble down the hill after the first roll.

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What the hell were they thinking trying to get that damn near stock Rubi down THAT SIDE of the hill?!

Well fellas, this is how it starts. Heart attack hill (or that whole trail) will probably end up closed due to inexperience and stupidity. The taxpayers don't like paying for Air-Evac and Extraction in support of someones hobby. And, it's only a matter of time before one of the Ocotillo Hugers (who has a fiend in Sacramento) says "SEE! I told you so!"

Don't get me wrong, I hope she's OK. But it's a damn shame the Jeep didn't take out old "Jazz Hands Jake" on the way down. Or at least maim him to the point where he can never Jazz Hand again! He's gonna get someone killed.

I openly admit that I don't feel comfortable enough yet to spot anyone. The spotters (Larry and Brian) that we wheel with can spot you while you drag your arse over barbed wire and broken glass without so much as blemish on your rosy red cheeks.

Oh, and I've never seen Brian nor Larry "Hula Dance" or "Jazz Hand" on the trail... Now, Back at camp is a different story though.

I will have to say... Damn that hard top held up well on the way down. She didn't even bust the windshield.
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^ For the record, I was doing the macarana NOT hula dancing.
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^ For the record, I was doing the macarana NOT hula dancing.
Oh... Well maybe you should work on that a little. Cuz... It sure looked like Hula Dancing. In a weird, drunk, hillbilly yet somehow sexy kinda way.

I'm bringing you coconuts and a grass skirt the next time we go camping.
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