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Old 06-24-2007, 09:07 PM   #1
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Tires....AGAIN...

I know there are a million "what tires should I get" threads, but between here and ROF, I haven't read any that help me. This is going to more for the eastern guys, but anyone can help out.

My Rubi is my daily driver, so that comes first. Onroad manners are extremly important, including snow/ice performance. We don't get 4 feet of snow here usually. We are due for a blizzard this year, but usually all we get is a couple inches at a time. Just enough for the snow to act like ice. Same with rain, it rains almost every other day this time of the year here. Tread life is pretty important too. I don't expect a tire to go 100,000 miles, but replacing them every 15,000 isn't an option either..

As far as offroading, they just closed the only place within 3 hours of my house a few weekends ago, so offroading just went from twice a month, to once every COUPLE of months. The problem is, when I DO go wheeling, its always sloopy mud and wet red clay. If it was just rocks or trail wheeling, id buy some ATs and call it a day, but I don't think ATs do well in mud at all, do they? Im not looking for something that I can idle through a 4 foot mud hole in, but I would like to be able to turn the Jeep loose through the WV mountains by myself and not be stressed the whole time..

The MT/Rs were perfect tires for me, untill they got retardedly loud and cupped. I think this is the previous owners fault, more than the tires though, too be honest. The rears are SHOT at 25,000, while the fronts are 1/2 tread.

Anyway, I was thinking about BFG Muds, but there snow performance is virtually non exsistant from what I hear. Then I thought Toyo open country mts, but those are a little too aggressive for my needs I think. AT tires are out of the equation since they just dont clean at all usually, unless theres a magic AT I am missing.

Am I better off just getting a hold of a couple "never-used" stock MT/R spares, and replacing the 2 rears, or is there a tire I have overlooked?

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there is no MT that´s really good when it rains or snows.
that´s why i have a set of yokohama AT tires that i drive all the year and a set of yokohama MT tires that i drive in the mud.

btw. my ATs clean out with 10-12 psi.

the new BFG tires aren´t good in my opinion. with low pressure there comes mud between the tire and the rim too fast.

if i were you i would buy some real offroad tires for wheeling and a set of AT tires.

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there is no MT that´s really good when it rains or snows.
that´s why i have a set of yokohama AT tires that i drive all the year and a set of yokohama MT tires that i drive in the mud.

btw. my ATs clean out with 10-12 psi.

the new BFG tires aren´t good in my opinion. with low pressure there comes mud between the tire and the rim too fast.

if i were you i would buy some real offroad tires for wheeling and a set of AT tires.
I considered that option, but finding 200 bucks for used spares can be a stretch. I can live with 400/500 for 4 tires that will last me a good while, but buying tires AND wheels is out of the question Gotta find a compromise somewhere. I dont mind a little bit of noise, infact I can deal with my MT/Rs now, but they would drive me NUTS on a trip out to WV, and my GF isnt gonna be happy either. Nothing worse than an angry women in the passenger seat on a 5 hour drive :chair:
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Well, this is just conjecture at this point, but I bought a set of Dayton Timeberline MT's and they have the holes for the studs which you can insert for snow and ice. Just bought them in February and we don't get much snow here. We usually get a couple of ice storms a year and I will try the studs when that happens.
These tires seem to do fairly well on the road, but I only drive about 8-9k a year in my wrangler. Too early to tell about treadwear, maybe someone else who has them can shed some light. They do pretty well in the mud though.
Or maybe someone can shed some light on using studs.
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If you liked the MT/R's, other than the fact that the previous owners didn't take care of them, then why don't you just buy some new MT/R's?
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Studs are illegal in MD I had a set of Dayton Timberline ATs on my 97 couple years back. The quality of the tires was good, but I wasnt impressed with them as soon as they hit snow or dirt. Maybe the newer MTs are better..
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If you liked the MT/R's, other than the fact that the previous owners didn't take care of them, then why don't you just buy some new MT/R's?
Thats what I think I am going to end up doing. I was just kinda hoping maybe there was a less aggresive tire that was better in the rain/snow that would still perform like I needed it too. Figured if I was gonna get new tires, nows the time to figure out if theres something better for my needs, or just keep the stock tires on it.
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I've been doing a lot of research on tires lately and it seems like (for the most part) that people like the MT/R's.
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I'm partial to the MT Baja Claw. The directional nature of them makes them perfect for your conditions on the east coast and also wheeling mud and sand.
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Simple: have two sets of tires.. One for the street and one for the trail. BFG's do a nice all around job in at or mt.
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Well, this is just conjecture at this point, but I bought a set of Dayton Timeberline MT's and they have the holes for the studs which you can insert for snow and ice. Just bought them in February and we don't get much snow here. We usually get a couple of ice storms a year and I will try the studs when that happens.
These tires seem to do fairly well on the road, but I only drive about 8-9k a year in my wrangler. Too early to tell about treadwear, maybe someone else who has them can shed some light. They do pretty well in the mud though.
Or maybe someone can shed some light on using studs.
My first real job was studding tires, what a miserable, arm breaking, nasty job to start out with. Anyway, in the years I worked at tire shops and managed service stations I never had anyone bring me a set of used tires to apply studs, I'm not even sure you can stud used tires, you'd have to go through each hole and make sure there was nothing in it.

Studs are good on ice but I don't feel they're worth the price of maintaining 2 sets of tires.
Having your tires siped can give almost as much traction and you can run em year round.
I also hate the ruts studded tires cause in the roads, they cause a great deal of damage that most people blame on trucks.
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Anyone have any experience with cooper stt? The lugs seem a little closer together, with sipping already on them. Saw em on a rubicon at the dealer.

I wish mt/rs were sipped and cheaper, perfect tires
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Well, this is just conjecture at this point, but I bought a set of Dayton Timeberline MT's and they have the holes for the studs which you can insert for snow and ice. Just bought them in February and we don't get much snow here. We usually get a couple of ice storms a year and I will try the studs when that happens.
These tires seem to do fairly well on the road, but I only drive about 8-9k a year in my wrangler. Too early to tell about treadwear, maybe someone else who has them can shed some light. They do pretty well in the mud though.
Or maybe someone can shed some light on using studs.
Are those MTs sipped?

So far it looks like 450 for 2 mt/rs installed

700 for 4 cooper stts installed

or 450 for 4 timberline mts installed.

Truck tires are expensive!
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What size are you looking for?
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stock 245 75 16. I am staying with mtrs, just replacing the 2 cupped ones on the rear. I just have to figure out if I should use my new spare as one, and put a balding cupped mtr as a spare or not.

I would rather be broke than get a flat on the trail, and have 0 traction to get off the trail due to a low tread spare...
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Try 4wd.com. They're having a 15% off sale right now. From what I've seen, with that discount, they have the cheapest tires right now.
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If you've got a full size spare, just buy 3 new ones and use it. Then stick a bad one on the back. No since in wasting money when you don't have to.
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Try 4wd.com. They're having a 15% off sale right now. From what I've seen, with that discount, they have the cheapest tires right now.
15% off ANY ONE ITEM... cannot be combimed with other items. So if he needs one tire, sure
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If you've got a full size spare, just buy 3 new ones and use it. Then stick a bad one on the back. No since in wasting money when you don't have to.
Thats what I did, thanks 1blkjp. Im taking my never-used spare, putting in on the rear with one new MTR that I bought, and re-balancing the 2 good tires up front.

I was just hoping there was a mystery magic AT that worked in mud... Guess its never that easy, huh? :chair:
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15% off ANY ONE ITEM... cannot be combimed with other items. So if he needs one tire, sure
Buy em one at a time.
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I've really liked my little skinny BFG all terrains.....I've chewed the heck out of 'em wheel'n rocks.....they are great on the road (my Jeep is my DD) and only let me down once or twice after a good rain left the trails a muddy mess.

I'm scheduling an upgrade in Aug and will be trying out these:
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Although they are a MT, I'll let you know if the sipping is worthy on the highway
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Ya, thanks texapple. So those BFG ATs actually did pretty well in mucky trails huh? Im scheduled for a visit to WV July 1st, Ill make a tire decision then, but I am going to stick with the MTRs, atleast untill the fronts are worn out. Id like to see how they perform in the snow anyway Thanks guys.
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I can send you up a "snow" tire just to try they are made by goodyear
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Ya, thanks texapple. So those BFG ATs actually did pretty well in mucky trails huh? Im scheduled for a visit to WV July 1st, Ill make a tire decision then, but I am going to stick with the MTRs, atleast untill the fronts are worn out. Id like to see how they perform in the snow anyway Thanks guys.

No, they didn't do too well.....not able to spin 'em out to clean the treads out. Sorry, didn't mean to mislead, I never got stuck in a mud hole but while on a wet trail they'll gunk up and made it harder than heck for me to climb on the rocks.

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