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Old 04-03-2012, 07:49 PM   #1
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can you tow a 4x4 automatic trans. behind a motor home,?

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can you tow a 4x4 automatic trans. behind a motor home,?
Sure drop the tyranny and tcase in neutral ....leave the key in thecolumn to keep the steering wheel from locking out disconnect. The battery. And figure some light harness in.

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With a manual you're supposed to put it in gear. Are you sure you're not supposed to put the automatic into drive or park?
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Thanks Rusty Knutt. Didnt know.
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With a manual you're supposed to put it in gear. Are you sure you're not supposed to put the automatic into drive or park?


I think he means towing it behind with a tow bar.
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This is copied right from my 2006 Wrangler Owners Manual PDF Page 249

RECREATIONAL TOWING (BEHIND
MOTORHOME, ETC.)
CAUTION!

Front or rear wheel lifts should not be used. Internal
damage to the transmission or transfer case will
occur if a front or rear wheel lift is used when
recreational towing.
NOTE:
The transfer case must be shifted into N (Neutral)
for recreational towing.

CAUTION!
It is necessary to follow these steps to be certain that
the transfer case is fully in N (Neutral) before
recreational towing to prevent damage to internal
parts.
Shifting Into Neutral (N)
Use the following procedure to prepare your vehicle for
recreational towing.
1. Depress brake pedal.
2. Shift automatic transmission into N (Neutral) or depress
clutch pedal on manual transmission.
3. Shift transfer case lever into N (Neutral).
4. Start engine.
5. Shift automatic transmission into D (Drive) or manual
transmission into gear.
6. Release brake pedal and ensure that there is no vehicle
movement.
7. Shut the engine off and place the ignition key into the
unlocked OFF position.
8. Shift automatic transmission into P (Park).
9. Apply parking brake.
10. Attach vehicle to the tow vehicle with tow bar.

11. Release parking brake.
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I was wrong....but then again my cherokee has made it just fine with everything being in neutral, but now knowing the "correct" way, Ill do it like that from here on.
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If the transfer case is in neutral, then why does it matter what the transmission is set to? I don't understand it.
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Thanks all!! I really appreciate the advice. I was always told the Jeep had to be manual to tow.
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I tow my 11 JK behind my motor home. Put the diff in neutral and the tranny in park. Leave the key on position 1 so your steering wheel is free. Then you just pull the fuse that turns on everything with the key in so you don't drain your battery.

I'm assuming you have a tow bar setup and auxiliary wiring for lights setup. You should also use a brake-buddy or other braking system to help your stopping power. Safety first!
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What I wanted to know is it is ok to tow a Jeep Wrangler with automatic transmission behind a motorhome without any special equipment other than a Brake Buddy and light harness. Thanks everyone!!
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What happens if the transfer case drops into gear from vibration, etc. I know I have read cases where that happened. Caused some extreme situations as the rear axle deteriorated.

I see absolutely NO reason to have the transmission in gear/park. So, just as an added safety measure, I always put the tranny in neutral. Will until someone can give me a good reason not to, besides the factory recommendation with no reason given.
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In order to keep the transmission properly lubed it needs to be in gear or park. Neutral wont cut it and can cause premature wear.
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I tow an '06 Wrangler Rubicon behind my motor home. Transfer case in neutral, trans in park. I also took the liberty to take out the steering wheel lock, so I'm able to leave the ignition off, take the key out and lock the doors. Most times I don't even know its behind. It is an automatic.
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I tow an '06 Wrangler Rubicon behind my motor home. Transfer case in neutral, trans in park. I also took the liberty to take out the steering wheel lock, so I'm able to leave the ignition off, take the key out and lock the doors. Most times I don't even know its behind. It is an automatic.
What was required to remove the steering lock? I'd like to try that. None of my other 4x4 towed vehicles had steering locks and I never missed it. I sure prefer to not have that key in/on while towing.
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Yes, you can tow a Jeep Wrangler with an automatic transmission behind a motor home. FYI, there is no reason to remove fuses or disconnect the battery (on a TJ at least) for towing. When you turn the key to the unlocked OFF position, you are only unlocking the steering wheel, and not supplying power to anything. Laws reguarding auxiliary brakes vary from state to state, there is a list at this web site, www.towingworld.com/
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A word of caution, if you do not have a exhaust brake on your motor home, as in all gas powered rv's towing a vehicle will add 4000 lbs to your rv's brake load. Driving mountain passes without a brake buddy would be a real adventure.
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In order to keep the transmission properly lubed it needs to be in gear or park. Neutral wont cut it and can cause premature wear.
Not disagreeing with you, but if the transmission isn't turning then why does it need constant lubrication?
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If the transfer case is in neutral, then why does it matter what the transmission is set to? I don't understand it.
it matters because having an auto being driven from the output side will eat the planetary gear for breakfast. Trust me, I've done it

put the TC in neutral and put the tranny in PARK. If you have a 2WD, then you need to remove the driveshaft.

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Thanks all!! I really appreciate the advice. I was always told the Jeep had to be manual to tow.
that's not entirely true... 2WD vehicles need to be a manual (or have the driveshaft removed), but (most) jeeps have a TC, which allows the transmission to be easily "disconnected" from the drive train, making automatics towable
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I have flat towed my 04 auto Wrangler behind our motorhome for years without one single problem. I followed the instructions precisely as lensam posted above.

TC in Neutral, Tranny in Park. I just used some simple magnetic tow lights stuck on the rear bumper.

No extra wires or connections to mess with, which was good, because now the Jeep gets to ride on a trailer.
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Not disagreeing with you, but if the transmission isn't turning then why does it need constant lubrication?
I don't think it has to do with tranny lubrication...it has to do with preventing the tranny and engine components moving while being towed with the Xfer case is in Neutral.

A buddy scored a cheap Wrangler for $1000 with a blown motor because the previous owner towed it with "both" the manual tranny and xfer case in N. Engine was turning and pumped oil that apparently caused it to sieze.
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What was required to remove the steering lock? I'd like to try that. None of my other 4x4 towed vehicles had steering locks and I never missed it. I sure prefer to not have that key in/on while towing.
It's about 20-30minute job, not that hard. I don't have the link I used, but you can probably google it. I believe all states require supplemental braking for vehicles weighing more than 3,000 lbs being towed.
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Will someone please explain to this old geezer how the output of the transmission can turn if the transfer case is actually in neutral? I can understand where it can drift a little, maybe turn one revolution a minute or something like that just from fluid pressure, but spin enough to chew up gears or burn out bearings? Please explain to me the actual transfer of power.

Also, if the both the transmission and transfer case are in neutral, HOW can the engine be turned over when you can't even begin to do that by hand?

We are talking some very important laws of physics here which could be instrumental in developing engines that turn with no input power whatsoever. If we can just reverse that, we can all run our transfer cases in neutral and be able to drive down the road with free energy.

I think what happened was that the transfer case actually slipped into gear and that forced the transmission to be spun. And then, what would have happened if there was no movement in the tranny? likely something far worse happening at the rear wheels.
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Will someone please explain to this old geezer how the output of the transmission can turn if the transfer case is actually in neutral? I can understand where it can drift a little, maybe turn one revolution a minute or something like that just from fluid pressure, but spin enough to chew up gears or burn out bearings? Please explain to me the actual transfer of power.

Also, if the both the transmission and transfer case are in neutral, HOW can the engine be turned over when you can't even begin to do that by hand?

We are talking some very important laws of physics here which could be instrumental in developing engines that turn with no input power whatsoever. If we can just reverse that, we can all run our transfer cases in neutral and be able to drive down the road with free energy.

I think what happened was that the transfer case actually slipped into gear and that forced the transmission to be spun. And then, what would have happened if there was no movement in the tranny? likely something far worse happening at the rear wheels.
Ok, first, manual and automatics have a bearing at the rear of trans. The only way this bearing is lubed is when the trans is being driven from the flywheel or torque converter end, as in when the engine is running. Your right about the slight turning of the input side of the t case, even with being in neutral, but take a long trip, get the oil warm and you have a t case that starts to spin the output shaft of the trans, and since that trans output gets no lube without the engine running as earlier mentioned, you get a dry, seized rear trans bearing. Putting the trans in gear or park stops this shaft from turning and running dry.
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I always thought that when the oil warmed up it got thinner and then there would be LESS transfer of power to spin the input of the transfer case.

In that case, then the spinning spider gears in the front axle of a CAD unit would end up spinning the drive shaft on extended drives?

If the front axle is disconnected, and the oil hasn't thickened from driving, then the front drive shaft is not spinning. That means that the chain in the 231 is stationary. So, the only thing in the transfer case that is turning is the output shaft and it's gear. The 4L cluster shouldn't be turning.

Sorry, just cannot see where there is anywhere near enough energy to transfer to the input shaft of the 231 to drive it, other than a little drift. And that would be significantly reduced as the oil warms and thins from driving.

Isn't the speedo gear driven by the transfer case. So, if the input shaft were spinning, then miles would be added to the odometer. But guess that wouldn't be the case in one with the wired odometer, as my 94 is, and the power is off.
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I have a 1997 TJ Sport with an auto and I6. I have flat towed it from New Hampshire to Illinois, Illinois to New Jersey and in two weeks, New Jersey back home to Illinois. Do as everyone says, TC in N, Tranny in Park, key in acc. I cobled up some cheap trailer lights I found at Tractor Supply that were on sale for $20.00. I built a plastic plate that bolts to the rear lights. Definately look into a brake buddy. First time I towed it, I was going from NH to IL towing it with a 2005 Grand Cherokee WK. No problem with pulling it, but the brakes... Also, not sure if this has been brought up, but the tow bar I had used advised to not go over 55MPH.
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I always thought that when the oil warmed up it got thinner and then there would be LESS transfer of power to spin the input of the transfer case.

In that case, then the spinning spider gears in the front axle of a CAD unit would end up spinning the drive shaft on extended drives?

If the front axle is disconnected, and the oil hasn't thickened from driving, then the front drive shaft is not spinning. That means that the chain in the 231 is stationary. So, the only thing in the transfer case that is turning is the output shaft and it's gear. The 4L cluster shouldn't be turning.

Sorry, just cannot see where there is anywhere near enough energy to transfer to the input shaft of the 231 to drive it, other than a little drift. And that would be significantly reduced as the oil warms and thins from driving.

Isn't the speedo gear driven by the transfer case. So, if the input shaft were spinning, then miles would be added to the odometer. But guess that wouldn't be the case in one with the wired odometer, as my 94 is, and the power is off.
Unless you installed locking hubs, the front driveshaft always spins flat towing.
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Little "left fielder" here... this may have changed by now, but I recall reading that NJ requires that the lights on any towed vehicle be permanently attached. Which kind of shoots a hole in using magnetic lights.

Now it's unlikely that your average cop would give you any grief on this, but there's alway apt to be some ambitious newbie looking to score points.

Anyone -- please correct me if I'm wrong on this regulation.
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With a manual you're supposed to put it in gear. Are you sure you're not supposed to put the automatic into drive or park?
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can you tow a 4x4 automatic trans. behind a motor home,?
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I tow my 11 JK behind my motor home. Put the diff in neutral and the tranny in park. Leave the key on position 1 so your steering wheel is free. Then you just pull the fuse that turns on everything with the key in so you don't drain your battery.

I'm assuming you have a tow bar setup and auxiliary wiring for lights setup. You should also use a brake-buddy or other braking system to help your stopping power. Safety first!
On a 2011 there is no need to even have a key in the ignition. On 2009 model Wranglers and newer they did not come with the lockable steering column from the factory. Just hook up, put the transfer case in Neutral, trans in gear or park if auto, hook up lighting/braking and go.

If it makes you feel better jack the front end of your Jeep up and with the key out of the ignition grab a front tire and move it lock to lock. You will see instantly that it does not lock in one position.

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What I wanted to know is it is ok to tow a Jeep Wrangler with automatic transmission behind a motorhome without any special equipment other than a Brake Buddy and light harness. Thanks everyone!!
Yes that is all that you need.

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What happens if the transfer case drops into gear from vibration, etc. I know I have read cases where that happened. Caused some extreme situations as the rear axle deteriorated.

I see absolutely NO reason to have the transmission in gear/park. So, just as an added safety measure, I always put the tranny in neutral. Will until someone can give me a good reason not to, besides the factory recommendation with no reason given.
In all of my years and miles of towing our Jeeps I have never heard of a transfer case dropping back into gear. Those detents are pretty distinct and quite a lot of lever movement is required.

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In order to keep the transmission properly lubed it needs to be in gear or park. Neutral wont cut it and can cause premature wear.
Park and/or gear is what keeps the output shaft of the transmission from turning. There is no lubrication in the transmission when the engine is not running and turning the front pump of the transmission. If not in gear and "locking" the transmission to keep from turning what can happen is the viscous action from the transfer case spinning can inadvertently turn the output shaft of the transmission. The rear bearings and/or planetaries can become damaged from extended periods without proper lubrication.

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Ok, first, manual and automatics have a bearing at the rear of trans. The only way this bearing is lubed is when the trans is being driven from the flywheel or torque converter end, as in when the engine is running. Your right about the slight turning of the input side of the t case, even with being in neutral, but take a long trip, get the oil warm and you have a t case that starts to spin the output shaft of the trans, and since that trans output gets no lube without the engine running as earlier mentioned, you get a dry, seized rear trans bearing. Putting the trans in gear or park stops this shaft from turning and running dry.
^^^This is exactly correct.


I have towed four different Jeeps now behind three different coaches for over 18 years and well over 100k miles with never an issue as long as procedures are followed. Automatic transmission in PARK, transfer case in NEUTRAL, key in unlocked position if 2008 or older, 2009 Wrangler and newer do not require key in ignition as the do not have a steering wheel lock position, also no pulling of fuse so no current draw. Hook up towbar, lighting and brakes and away you go.

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