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Old 09-24-2012, 10:33 PM   #1
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Warn M8000 vs VR8000???

I have been reading lots of posts and reviews on these two products, but have not heard many follow-ups on the long-term reliability of the VR8000... I do not necessarily need the extra 2.8ft/min the M8000 provides for the added cost, although durability and reliability is a major factor... Can anyone who has purchased either of these give me their opinions? Thanks a lot!

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Old 09-25-2012, 07:19 AM   #3
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Minor differences, but they can play a significant part, depending on how you'll use the winch:

The m8000 uses a contactor instead of a solenoid. See post #6 in this thread: Warn M8000-s vs VR8000-s

m8000 has a faster line pull.

m8000 is built for longer sustained pulls, while the VR is designed for short pulls (less frequent).

Obviously, the m has a proven history that the VR hasn't achieved yet.

The m costs more than the VR.

Also, the VR is built in China, I believe. Or the parts are made there, and assembled here. Something like that.
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Once I decided not to buy a $300 winch the decision became easier. I went ahead and bought the M8000. It wasn't enough of a money difference to buy the VR8000. I bought mine for $582 delivered to my door from autoplicity.com.
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I own the VR8000. The M8000 is built for more sustained use. The VR8000 is built for weekend warriors who aren't constantly using their winches. I love mine and haven't had any issues with it. MOST people will get by just fine with the VR8000. Some people will tell you that they constantly use their winches and need an M8000, but they're usually lying to themselves and anyone who will listen. Some people really DO use their winches all the time, but they're usually the quiet ones who have nothing to prove. Cost was a factor in my decision to buy the VR8000 instead of the M8000. Most of my expendable income goes into buying guns, with a little going to the Jeep. At the time I bought this winch, I was also purchasing 2 more weapons that I WASN'T going to cut costs on. I probably would have purchased the M8000, but wouldn't have used it any more than I've used my VR8000. So I consider the VR8000 the right winch FOR ME. Decide how often you're going to use your winch. If you use it a dozen or so times EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND, you might want the M8000. Any less than that, really, then the VR8000 will most likely be fine.
It was mentioned that there is a possibility that the VR8000 is made in China. I looked at every single piece of literature that came with the winch, including the box it came in, and there wasn't a single word about it being made in China. I'm sure some of the parts are, but look at just about anything in your house that uses any electronic parts and some or all are probably made in China. You decide.

I REALLY wanted the Warn 8624 but the cost was prohibitive to my Jeep's fun fund.
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I have been reading lots of posts and reviews on these two products, but have not heard many follow-ups on the long-term reliability of the VR8000... I do not necessarily need the extra 2.8ft/min the M8000 provides for the added cost, although durability and reliability is a major factor... Can anyone who has purchased either of these give me their opinions? Thanks a lot!
You haven't read any long term reviews because it a new winch for Warn. I have and still have a m8000 and I give it a work out. I don't know anyone that has a vr8000 but my buddy bought a vr10000 his winch is slow and he has less pulling power than I do. His winch is bigger than mine go figure. He has given his vr10000 a really good work out this past summer and he has no complaints if that helps you any.
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:34 PM   #7
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your stuck.....and you cant get out, and your 40 miles away from anyone else..... how bad you think you will miss the 120 buck difference? personally, i hope to never use my winch, but when i do it would suck to have "cheap" problems added into a already difficult situation.
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While the M8000 maybe a better winch, the VR8000 is better than no winch at all. I have the M6000 on my TJ (was on it when I bought it)and have only had to use it once. So my winch use frequency (occasional)would probably be just fine for a VR8000. If I wheeled every weekend and extract lots of friends, I would go with the M8000.
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:01 PM   #9
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I guess that's all true, the only bad winch is not having any. And the walking out to get help.
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Anyone have any other input? Its been awhile since the last post.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:48 AM   #11
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Anyone have any other input? Its been awhile since the last post.
Just to further complicate things, WARN now has this in the 8K size, in both a synthetic and wire rope version:

Warn Industries - Jeep, Truck & SUV Winches: ZEON 8-S
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:38 PM   #12
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It all depends on how much you will use it. I got a cheep non Warn winch and used it only ones in the last year and it worked fine. Got pulled over a rock once as well with a tow strap. No need for me to spend a pay check on a winch that I only used once a year.

If I was wheeling every weekend by myself over very hard trails away from any cell service, maybe then it will make sense to spend the big bucks.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:57 PM   #13
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I have had the VR for about a year now.Used it prob a dozen times.Ive never had a prob with it & am happy with its performance.If I was using a winch every weekend Id prob spend more & get the M
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Any new experience s now that we have another year behind is since last post.
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On another note, I do not see the 2.8ft/minute either. Per Warns site the M is 1.2ft/min faster at no load and pretty much tied up to rated weight. I also notice the VR takes less AMP's up to 6000# and from their the M shows more efficiency.
If you cant tell I am really about to pull the plug but looking for some long term feedback of the VR series now that it has been out a while. I kind of look at the VR as the pre-contactor version of the M, I may be wrong?
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Like I said,Ive have a VR for a year now.The only issue ive had was water ingress into the gear assy.It wouldent freewheel but I got it fixed and has always performed well.
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Was it submerged or was the water from rain and washing the Jeep?
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Old 03-16-2015, 09:18 PM   #19
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bumping this up. i'm in the same boat, trying to decide between the m8000s or the vr8000s. i won't use it all the time, maybe hardly ever at all, but when i do need it i need it to work without issues.

is the m8000 better than the vr8000 in wet situations? the reality is the winch is gonna get wet. i avoid deep water but can't say it won't happen.

any feedback from ppl running the vr8000?

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Old 03-16-2015, 10:43 PM   #20
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I have the VR8000 on my rig and it is junk. Installed about two years ago and the electrical connections are bad. You have to smack the solenoid otherwise the winch just clicks. Pay the extra money and buy the M8000.
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:37 PM   #21
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M8000. I've had mine submerged in water and it still winches like it was nothing. It saved my butt plenty of times
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I have the VR8000 on my rig and it is junk. Installed about two years ago and the electrical connections are bad. You have to smack the solenoid otherwise the winch just clicks. Pay the extra money and buy the M8000.
X2....The M series is all 99% of people need. The Zeons are overkill for most people. The VR's are junk....
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Old 03-17-2015, 08:57 PM   #23
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I have had my VR10000S for a while now (1.5 years) and have made many hard pulls and never has let me down.
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Individual results and stories are great, but I am sure there are stories of every Chinese winch out there giving a great accounting for individual owners... But that's not the average. On the average, Warns are amongst the most solid. Specifically, the M8000....to save a few bucks and buy a VR seems silly.
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X2....The M series is all 99% of people need. The Zeons are overkill for most people. The VR's are junk....
You got your winches out of order. It actually goes like this:

M8000 > Zeon 8 > VR8000

The Zeon is an in-between choice compared to the other two. It has some of the upgrades found on the M8000--which is good--but it isn't as strong as the M8000. I suppose it is a trade-off for the faster line speed? Maybe it has something to do with the Zeon's 162:1 gear ratio; the M8000 (and the VR8000, for that matter) has a 216:1 ratio.

All three are rated to pull 8,000 pounds on the first layer, but the situation changes as the cable spools in; by layer four, the M8000 can still pull 6,230 pounds whereas the Zeon 8 is limited to just 5,189 pounds. I know they say you should unspool your cable for a max effort pull; to me, the more consistent power from the M8000 makes it a better buy than the Zeon 8 in my opinion... which is why there's an M8000 sitting on my bumper.
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You got your winches out of order. It actually goes like this:

M8000 > Zeon 8 > VR8000

The Zeon is an in-between choice compared to the other two. It has some of the upgrades found on the M8000--which is good--but it isn't as strong as the M8000. I suppose it is a trade-off for the faster line speed? Maybe it has something to do with the Zeon's 162:1 gear ratio; the M8000 (and the VR8000, for that matter) has a 216:1 ratio.

All three are rated to pull 8,000 pounds on the first layer, but the situation changes as the cable spools in; by layer four, the M8000 can still pull 6,230 pounds whereas the Zeon 8 is limited to just 5,189 pounds. I know they say you should unspool your cable for a max effort pull; to me, the more consistent power from the M8000 makes it a better buy than the Zeon 8 in my opinion... which is why there's an M8000 sitting on my bumper.
Thanks for clarifying. Most Zeon owners seem oblivious to this very important fact.
Same reason a M8000 sits on my bumper.
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Thank God! The Warn winch rebate applies to purchases up in Canada! Just saved $100 American.... that's like a thousand dollars Canadian!..... Lol
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VR here and the only issue Ive had is the gaskets went bad and allowed some water to get into the gear assy & caused the freespool lever not to be able to be moved.called Warn & they sent me new gaskets.cleaned it up and added new grease & its been fine ever since
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I was going to buy a new VR but found a nice, little used, m8000 on CL. What impresses me most is the line speed. It's strong AND fast.
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VR here and the only issue Ive had is the gaskets went bad and allowed some water to get into the gear assy & caused the freespool lever not to be able to be moved.called Warn & they sent me new gaskets.cleaned it up and added new grease & its been fine ever since
That's great Warn took care of you. Another reason to buy there product.

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