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Old 10-09-2007, 11:45 AM   #31
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That mig is the gasless type right? How thick of a metal could a mig like that do? How thick could the ark do?

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Old 10-09-2007, 11:47 AM   #32
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I like migs better but could that lay down a strong weld on 1/4" steel?

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Old 10-09-2007, 12:00 PM   #33
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Welder if its what you want to do, its not easy and takes a lot of practice. You don't just sit down and lay down a good bead and produce a solid weld. Specially on a arc, your going to to melt some metal and burn a lot of rods so get ready to get slag in ur ear or in your pants.

Best tip I can give you from welding my self, get comfortable or else your going to have a hard time welding, specially learning. Invest into good PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) Gloves, Shirts, welding hood, and Ear plugs. Heck grab you a Nomex suit, you'll enjoy it.

I think welding is a great skill to learn but it's not for everyone. I learned on the job how to weld from a older guy. He said he could teach a monkey to weld, he tought me anyway.

Take some metal shop classes while your in high school and then get some when your out of school as well.

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Old 10-09-2007, 12:10 PM   #34
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Harbor Freight just had these on sale for 99.00. They are not that bad for a budget welder. They have others as well, including a Chicago Electric arc welder on sale for 79.00.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=94056


Arc welder. 79.00
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=55060
is that second one (140 amp) a 110V or 220V?? says 115/230V
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Could be starting a flame war here. Actually, I personally prefer MIG. Is very easy and I only use 1 spool (.045) I just adjust wire speed and voltage as needed for the thickness at hand.
Its all preference. I have access to both, and I prefer arc just because most of my welding is done on my rigs suspension, with nothing being less than 1/4", and the links .500" thick. If I'm doind thin like sheet metal or fastners then I'll reach for the mig, cage work gets the tig or arc because thats what I trust my life with.

Its all preference, but I've never met anyone that having arc welded their entire life, didn't pick up a mig and make it look like art within a few passes
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Its all preference, but I've never met anyone that having arc welded their entire life, didn't pick up a mig and make it look like art within a few passes
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Don't waste your money on the little harbor freight one, buddy got one and its quite possibly the biggest piece of garbage ever produced except reality TV.
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Its all preference. I have access to both, and I prefer arc just because most of my welding is done on my rigs suspension, with nothing being less than 1/4", and the links .500" thick. If I'm doind thin like sheet metal or fastners then I'll reach for the mig, cage work gets the tig or arc because thats what I trust my life with.

Its all preference, but I've never met anyone that having arc welded their entire life, didn't pick up a mig and make it look like art within a few passes
Yup, mig is way easy to learn. And it certainly is mostly just personal preference.

I suppose one additional perk of arc is that it is usable in the field a whole lot easier than the others. Just get a couple batteries, jumper cables, and arc sticks and you are in business.
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Spend your money on a welding course. Get a job as a welder and then use their equipment till you can afford your own.

If you insist on getting one now, listen to myanarchy, welding isn't something to play around with when your doing things that affect your safety.
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I suppose one additional perk of arc is that it is usable in the field a whole lot easier than the others. Just get a couple batteries, jumper cables, and arc sticks and you are in business.
Now this is a skill to have. Came in direct contact with trail welding a few weeks back when Joe and I ripped the front trac bar mount off the JK's front axle. 3 batteries 3 sets of cables and a few of us burning the shit out of ourselves while trying to help Joe and we drove that thing down the mountain home at 65 mph.
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Now this is a skill to have. Came in direct contact with trail welding a few weeks back when Joe and I ripped the front trac bar mount off the JK's front axle. 3 batteries 3 sets of cables and a few of us burning the shit out of ourselves while trying to help Joe and we drove that thing down the mountain home at 65 mph.
Now that is what I'm talkin about!
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Now this is a skill to have. Came in direct contact with trail welding a few weeks back when Joe and I ripped the front trac bar mount off the JK's front axle. 3 batteries 3 sets of cables and a few of us burning the shit out of ourselves while trying to help Joe and we drove that thing down the mountain home at 65 mph.
Or get a ready welder and some batteries, I know a few guys who use it as their only welder
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Or get a ready welder and some batteries, I know a few guys who use it as their only welder
I've heard and seen some friend alternators and some fires that were caused by those. Probably would need to serious upgrade to install wouldn't you?

(And I will preface my part in this conversation as stating my welding skills still leave a lot to be desired. I can stick two pieces of metal together, but I won't trust my life on it yet. )
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yep definitely go with the welder. i started in a freshmen high school class for basic welding, then went on to auto body and auto body 2--im now a senior. and anybody can weld 1/4" steel and make it look good. its the 16-18 ga. that can be tricky. but back on track welding is easily one of the most fun things ive learned and its a great skill to know.
imo best way to learn is pushing beads on a oxy acetalyne and then throw in some filler rod later on.

but for your first id get a mig just cause of the versatility and ease of use. but arc's are also super fun use.
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bought a welder, rods, gloves. came with mask and brush/chipping hammer (have no idea why )

full size spare also comes in today
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...ya thats what i read in da manual...

gonna test it out tomorow...seems like its tedious...can't go to fast or slow...can't be too close or far away and the amperature has to be right...

got gloves for $4

just gotta pick up a good helmet...the one that came with it is the kind you have to hold
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...ya thats what i read in da manual...

gonna test it out tomorow...seems like its tedious...can't go to fast or slow...can't be too close or far away and the amperature has to be right...

got gloves for $4

just gotta pick up a good helmet...the one that came with it is the kind you have to hold
Yea, the new auto darkening helmet's are great but pricy. You will wish you got one tho after you get flash burn on your eyes because you were lil too slow on flippin the helmet down.

After getting used to the auto helmets I used a flip style and forgot to flip the thing down! OUCH

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i dont trust it to turn up i only will use the flip donw kind, well its alos the only kind i can afford, but for refrence, they dont let anyone use that kind at my dads shop b/c its a liability, basicly if the helmet malfunctions they can sue the company, if they forget to put ther helmet down, sucks for them, buutttt still if there was no liability in it not working they owuld let the guys use them!

i dont wanna be the perosn who the one inva million dont work!
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Preference and circumstance in a shop your able to work freely and have room to weld.

Not everyone welds in a nice shop -.-

In industrial welding, how you weld is under scrutiny, spew out a arch in a wrong place and it could be your job. So like I said

Preference and circumstance

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The auto-darkning helmets from harbor freight aren't bad, I've never been flashed by one. Only complaint is the small veiwing window. First time you are crawling into a tight place to lay a weld and brush the rod up against something and get blinded for a few minutes you'll love the auto helmets
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that only happens if u have ur hand on the trigger while ur doing it (at least for mig!)
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but, you didn't get a mig...
The auto helmets are great, I got mine at harbor freight a couple years ago and it still works great.
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but, you didn't get a mig...
The auto helmets are great, I got mine at harbor freight a couple years ago and it still works great.
*2 there! Originally bought the non-auto darkening (to save some coin) but after trying it once and hating it, went back and bought a decent one (not cheap, but it is awesome! )

Is well worth it in my book.
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mine uses no trigger...(just the trigger that acts as a clamp to hold the electrode)

so the autodarkening helmet will be clear enough for me to have it already down while striking the arc??

i have the handheld kind and i can't put it in front of my face till i strike the arc because its too dark to see out off...it would be nice to be able to have the helmet already on when striking the arc...then i wouldn't have to pull it down and i could strike it with it already on
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auto dark ones only about $50 at Harbor Freight, and yes you can see out of it until striking the arc.
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just fyi, you shouldn't have to pull it down wiht your hand, it should be able to go down with the flick of your head
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mine uses no trigger...(just the trigger that acts as a clamp to hold the electrode)

so the autodarkening helmet will be clear enough for me to have it already down while striking the arc??

i have the handheld kind and i can't put it in front of my face till i strike the arc because its too dark to see out off...it would be nice to be able to have the helmet already on when striking the arc...then i wouldn't have to pull it down and i could strike it with it already on
what brank welder did you get and what was the coast?
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so the autodarkening helmet will be clear enough for me to have it already down while striking the arc??

i have the handheld kind and i can't put it in front of my face till i strike the arc because its too dark to see out off...it would be nice to be able to have the helmet already on when striking the arc...then i wouldn't have to pull it down and i could strike it with it already on
Yes. It'll be just a little darker than a pair of sunglasses. Once it notices the brightness increase from the arc, it auto darkens within like 1/1000ths of a second (or something like that ). Some even have sensitivity settings and for how fast you want it to darken, how long before darkening, and how dark you want to make it. Well worth the extra $...
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just fyi, you shouldn't have to pull it down wiht your hand, it should be able to go down with the flick of your head
which one are you talking about...not mine because i have to hold mine by a handle.

definitely will invest in an auto darkener

4.0sahara, i got one by the brand name of "clarke"...it was $150 for the welder, $4 for gloves, and $4 for the electrodes. $167.02 was total price i think

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