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Old 04-16-2012, 09:08 PM   #1
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Well, had to change my plans...

I was saving up for a roof rack, but it looks as if the money I have thus far is going t have to be spent on an alarm system. We moved to Florida and are renting an apartment until we can sell our old house. As usual, there are groups of kids in the complex that, shall we say, are a little less than trustworthy. I got home this afternoon and a guy that lives in my building told me that he saw three kids kicking and punching my passenger door and window last night. I know who they are, but I have to catch them in the act before I go to their parents. Suffice to say, I am researching alarm systems now and I was looking at this one by Viper: link, plus a battery backup system: link and a dual zone motion sensor: link.

You all have any opinions, and are these the right components for my Jeep? (2005 Wrangler Sport 2D with full steel doors and OEM soft top). Looks like around $160-170 for everything.

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Old 04-16-2012, 09:15 PM   #2
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First off, if you know who they were, I would still go to their parents and go to the cops. If it does not happen to you next time it will happen to someone else.

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First off, if you know who they were, I would still go to their parents and go to the cops. If it does not happen to you next time it will happen to someone else.
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Go to the cops.

If these kids are doing this, it's not the first time. They've been reported before, the police probably know them. The police (or sheriff) may take your report and that's it, but you'll also need it for any insurance claim.

If someone else saw them (as you note), or they got into additional trouble that night, the cops will have something to pin on them.

As someone who works in law enforcement - I'd strongly advise that you call them. That's what they're there for, that's what they do, that's what they're waiting for. Give them info and they can make a case and solve a problem.

At the very least, filling out a report leaves a paper trail. The guy who saw them is a witness to a crime. You didn't have to catch them in the act - they already have been. If they do something again, there's already a history reported, and it makes law enforcement actions easier.

Your insurance company may be interested in getting money back from local vandals, too.

Also, if the LEO you call has ever had his ride damaged, he'll really want to help.
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Had my jeep paintballed with nice bright red paint about a year ago at a complex I lived in before I got married. Same thing. I didn't see them but some one else saw them doing it to other cars in the parking lot.

An independent witness is enough to file charges or at least in your case get parents involved. If said witness is willing to write a statement or at least give an officer a verbal statement, that's all it takes. Trust me and Servo! We do this for a living!

Oh. They had to pay to have my jeep professionally cleaned inside and out in lieu of a fine. I was ok with that!
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:17 AM   #5
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I absolutely can NOT stand it when parents do not teach their children respect for other peoples things including vehicles! I can't believe that neighbor didn't call the cops on the kids - even if it wasn't HIS vehicle. But at least he told you and hopefully he will be willing to be a witness? Any security camera's around in the area that might have caught it? Good luck with the alarm system!
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:37 AM   #6
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This really gets under my skin. I hope the other guy is willing to step up and give a statement. I had someone jimmy the door lock on a hard door in my YJ once to try to get a pair of those knock-off sunglasses (only thing that was out and visible thanks to Tuffy console and glovebox) they trashed the lock and the stupid thing wasn't even locked!! Someone saw it and told me but left before I could file a report because she "didn't want trouble from the local kids"
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:54 AM   #7
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That sucks. $160-$170 sounds cheap. Just don't call 911 and follow them...
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Thanks everyone, for the great advice! I just got me Jeep two weeks ago and I cannot believe that someone feels like they have the right to do this sh*t!!!

The guy said that he has seen the kids in question playing with my kids and after telling my wife and daughter about this they both came up with the same name as a suspect, so I can nab at least one of them for certain.

I went outside last night and did a walk-around and couldn't find any damage, thankfully. The guy saw me outside and came out to talk to me a little more about it and called his mom, who is the one who first saw them, and I talked to her as well. They both now have my cell number and said they would call me immediately if they saw anything else.

It just royally pisses me off that someone can't just leave things that don't belong to them alone. WHY the heck do they feel like they NEED to do this kind of crap?! You know, I may not drive a $100,000 automobile, but darn it, my Jeep is my daily driver and I am PROUD of it! It's all I have, and if you f*ck with my Jeep, you better be ready for the thunder you just called down!!!

I'll update after I talk to the authorities. Thanks again everyone!
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:39 AM   #9
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I absolutely can NOT stand it when parents do not teach their children respect for other peoples things including vehicles! I can't believe that neighbor didn't call the cops on the kids - even if it wasn't HIS vehicle. But at least he told you and hopefully he will be willing to be a witness? Any security camera's around in the area that might have caught it? Good luck with the alarm system!
Good question, about cameras. I'll go to the folks in the office and ask them.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:51 PM   #10
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I may not drive a $100,000 automobile, but darn it, my Jeep is my daily driver and I am PROUD of it! It's all I have, and if you f*ck with my Jeep, you better be ready for the thunder you just called down!!!!
Couldn't have said it better my self, I would almost feel sorry for anyone who effed with my Jeep because they just brought hell upon themselves.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:29 AM   #11
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Couldn't have said it better my self, I would almost feel sorry for anyone who effed with my Jeep because they just brought hell upon themselves.
I'm with you on that!
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:30 AM   #12
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Quick update...

Went to the apartment of the one kid I know was involved, for sure, and confronted his parents. Of course his mom said it just couldn't have been him and the witness saw someone else. The dad just stood there and shook his head. I told the kid to his face that I would be watching for any damage on my Jeep and I would be taking pictures of it, date-stamped, every day and if any damage occurred I was holding him personally responsible and would be coming straight to him with the police right behind me. He just stood there, looking all pitiful-like. I know better. He's an evil little turd and, make no mistake, if I personally catch him, I will be dragging his a$$, kicking and screaming, back to his front door and calling the cops.

Checked on cameras too. There are currently none installed, but the property management company has been getting quotes from security companies to install some around the complex.

Saddest part of all this is the lesson his mom is teaching him by acting the way she did. He's only about 10 or 11 and she's basically saying that it's all right to lie and damage other people's property, so long as you don't get caught.

Still going to be installing a security system. My Jeep's my baby. It's more of an investment, to me, and it gives me a little peace of mind too.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:45 AM   #13
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Went to the apartment of the one kid I know was involved, for sure, and confronted his parents. Of course his mom said it just couldn't have been him and the witness saw someone else. The dad just stood there and shook his head. I told the kid to his face that I would be watching for any damage on my Jeep and I would be taking pictures of it, date-stamped, every day and if any damage occurred I was holding him personally responsible and would be coming straight to him with the police right behind me. He just stood there, looking all pitiful-like. I know better. He's an evil little turd and, make no mistake, if I personally catch him, I will be dragging his a$$, kicking and screaming, back to his front door and calling the cops.

Checked on cameras too. There are currently none installed, but the property management company has been getting quotes from security companies to install some around the complex.

Saddest part of all this is the lesson his mom is teaching him by acting the way she did. He's only about 10 or 11 and she's basically saying that it's all right to lie and damage other people's property, so long as you don't get caught.

Still going to be installing a security system. My Jeep's my baby. It's more of an investment, to me, and it gives me a little peace of mind too.
Good luck and good idea to still install the security system. You never know if he is the type of kid that will now do it on purpose for attention. You also don't know if the parents will now be jerks to you and do stuff for calling their kid out. Happened in my neighborhood when I stood up for myself and now things are done to my property as revenge. Wish I could move. I keep my Jeep parked out back. I feel the same way about mine - its my baby.
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This will keep them from doing it again
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:57 PM   #15
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Here's a security system for you! Idk why there isn't any audio.
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If you can see your jeep from your apartment set up a web cam and record it at night and then record over it the next night. Or sleep in your jeep and the next time the little bastards come around jump out and scare the crap out of them.

or get a pitbull and let him sleep in the jeep lol
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This works too... where can I get one of these?

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Old 04-18-2012, 04:47 PM   #18
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way back when, parents would take care of stuff like this. what has happened to parents these days?
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:12 PM   #19
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Hope you Jeep is alright. And two on a security system. That goes for everyone...I live a good way from the city and I let my guard down for one night and my Marlin LR .22 was gonzo. The fact of the matter is that crime has no address. It can happen anywhere...anytime.

I manage an apartment community and I see this kind of thing on a regular basis. It sounds like you have some pretty reliable witnesses on this one. However, I would talk to your neighbor one more time and make sure that the kid in question is the culprit. My experience in managing apartments tells me that your neighbor that identified the kid might just dislike this kid. Maybe he has had issues with the kid in the past. Ask some questions and listen to how you neighbor responds. He might also simply be a good neighbor who has your back.

Lets keep in mind that we are talking about a child here. You never know if the parents are the type that might beat him. Plus...we have all been accused of doing things that that we did not do. That feeling is one that is hard to forget.

We once had a courtsy officer at one of our properties that took a good approach. He would just calmly talk to the kid on his level. No anger...no threats no intimadation. If you can get that kid to engage in a convrsation with you just once...you will never have an issue with him again. Children are pure...it is only when they grow old that they become currupt. Who knows you might make a friend and maybe...just maybe, you might play a small roll in turning that kids life around.

If that doesn't work...Along with your police report you need to make sure you log a detailed complaint at your leasing office. The leasing office will issue a lease violation letter to the parents. When the parents realize that they might actually be held responsiable for thier kids actions things might just change a little. Suddenly the parents start to think about the cost of being evicted...it's now starting to effect thier pocket book. The day after they get the notice the kid will finally see mom and dad come down hard about this issue. This will be a good lesson for the kid and if he has any brains he will stay far away from that Jeep.

With all that said...personally, I would get the alarm system and try to become friends with the kid. The roof rack will sadly have to wait.
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Old 04-19-2012, 02:51 PM   #20
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Here's a security system for you! Idk why there isn't any audio.
Holy Crap!!! I want one of those!!!! Not for any reason other than I just want it!!!
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Last year I lived in one of them big apartment complexes, I seen a couple of kids messing with my motorcycle, I took a picture with my phone out the window. When I walked outside they ran off. I went to the office and showed the picture to the office manager and he took it from there.
No-one messed with my bike again. So even though you do not have video cameras if your neighbors see them again and can snap a picture of them then that is just as good.

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