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Old 05-03-2007, 09:07 PM   #871
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Took the top(s) off today.... and doors off my YJ


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Drove it like i stole it on the street that is.. was almost late for my date LOL!

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Old 05-03-2007, 10:09 PM   #873
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removed the stock tailpipe and added just a tiny bent pipe pointing down on the end of my flowmaster ..
/\/\-loud as hell-/\/\
.. tomorow i will try to remake the shape of the stock pipe with the one i have in my closet
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:39 PM   #874
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Had to get the bird crap off it... and those little dirty rain spots, eck lol... we don't have mud out here in AZ, just rocks.

And is that your Teal-J? I gots one too
That is my teal YJ, but most of the time it is tan or brown
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Old 05-03-2007, 10:48 PM   #875
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removed the stock tailpipe and added just a tiny bent pipe pointing down on the end of my flowmaster ..
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.. tomorow i will try to remake the shape of the stock pipe with the one i have in my closet
Leave the tailpipe off..... Mine sounds like a beast with it like that!

Flowmaster 40's, best by far
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Old 05-04-2007, 12:06 AM   #876
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Leave the tailpipe off..... Mine sounds like a beast with it like that
I got 50 delta on mine.. if it wasnt for the cops i wouldnt even bother but of course there can be a harly revving at 120 dB next to him but he will stop me if hears mine few dB louder than stock .. cops have issues here.. they think they are the sn|t.. there was a problem with the cops beating a woman in a bar excesively that got videotaped. The cops that were there got sewed.. and currently new video tapes keep showing of people with similar cases.. so that was like a firestarter. Currently the local government is trying to police the police and i love it because the president gets checked for obusing his power but the police doenst.. wtf is that
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I installed my new lokar throttle cable and my new upper control arms.

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Old 05-04-2007, 01:18 AM   #878
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Mr.C - You really need to give us more than one pic updates ya know?
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Old 05-04-2007, 01:21 AM   #879
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I'm still trying to digest all of it myself. LOL!! Honestly, this is the first time I've ever tried this kind of suspension so I tend to over complicate it before I get anything accomplished. Then once I do it I think, man! That was pretty easy!

Here is another picture. Don't let the geometry angles fool you. My jeep is leaning towards the passenger side.

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Andy, How is setting up the Drive By Wire setup going? I've heard that each one of those is night and day to each other.

Also the suspension is looking good. How much were you able to move your front axle up when it's all said and done? Uppers are looking good also. Looks like everything is going to clear the oil pan nicely.

Oh, and to stay on topic. I drove mine over to a buddies out to unload a new cage and some 44's for a CJ build we are doing. Also tossed my Co2 tank in there to get it filled tomorrow for some saturday wheelin. I got a score to settle with Dirty Sanchez.
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Old 05-04-2007, 09:12 AM   #881
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Mr C. nice 3 link setup there cant wait to see it crawling I'm still confused the difference between 3 and 4 link lol
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Andy, How is setting up the Drive By Wire setup going? I've heard that each one of those is night and day to each other.
Drive by wire?? I thought it was fly by wire.

If I'm understanding you correctly the "drive by wire" is a term loosely referring to the skinny stick controlling the intake electronically. Correct?? I have it in my pickup and it really took some getting used to. Luckily, my LT1 isn't that advanced.

I used a Lokar throttle cable and drop down bracket.

This is how it hooks up to the TB.



This is the firewall connection.



And the other side.



As old school as it gets but that stupid throttle cable setup set me back a hundred bones.

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Also the suspension is looking good. How much were you able to move your front axle up when it's all said and done? Uppers are looking good also. Looks like everything is going to clear the oil pan nicely.
The axle is up around 10" from the stock location. I'm at 105" of wheelbase with the rear stretch. I've measured out 116" with the front stretch but it moves around a bit when I adjust the control arms and ride height. All of my control arms have ample clearance. I will just have to get a little creative with the passenger side exhaust but I'm sure I've got that already covered.

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Oh, and to stay on topic. I drove mine over to a buddies out to unload a new cage and some 44's for a CJ build we are doing. Also tossed my Co2 tank in there to get it filled tomorrow for some saturday wheelin. I got a score to settle with Dirty Sanchez.

Dirty Sanchez? Did he stink up on you??
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Old 05-04-2007, 11:09 AM   #883
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Mr C. nice 3 link setup there cant wait to see it crawling I'm still confused the difference between 3 and 4 link lol
Alright then. Suspension setups 101. This should be fun cause the teacher should normally know something about the class.

A 3 link design is usually not a true 3 link. It uses 2 lower control arms and 1 upper control arm to locate the axle vertically. It will also use a pan hard bar to locate the axle horizontally. Which, imo is a 4 link setup because it uses 4 links to locate the axle.

My setup is a true 4 link setup as well. I have 2 lower control arms and 2 upper control arms. That's it. Since my uppers and lowers are triangulated it will center the axle so no use for some stupid track bar.

My lower control arms look like this / \ and my uppers look like this \/ You use the suspension geometry to keep the axle centered. It still allows for all the adjustment in the world but it isn't always a warranted method for locating your axle.

I believe the 4 link setup, such as mine, requires full hydraulic steering. With no track bar and a drag link for steering I believe you run a chance of funky steering. I can't prove that as I've only read about it but that's what makes sense in my mind.

A stock jeep has 5 links. 2 lowers, 2 uppers, and the track bar. It uses that setup front and rear.
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:10 PM   #884
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Yeah, Andy you are right about the Drive by Wire. I was thinking it was setup exactly how you described your truck. Tricky as hell to setup, but worth it in the end.

Just to add to what you said about your Dual Triangulated front 4 link. To run a front link suspension without a trac bar you also have to remove the steering from the frame. I.E. steering box, pitman arm and drag link. Otherwise when you went to turn it would push the axle off center. That's why you are running an orbital valve and full hydro. Takes any pressure off of the axle from the steering and runs it thru the hydraulic ram. It's basically a smokin setup and will be well worth it when you FINALLY GET THE DAMN THING DONE.
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Old 05-04-2007, 06:19 PM   #885
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You guys are WAY over my head. Your expertise is incredible. My yj is pretty much completely stock. I look on in amazement!!!
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Old 05-04-2007, 07:00 PM   #886
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awwww... I want a garage to play with stuff
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Old 05-04-2007, 07:16 PM   #887
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Yeah, Andy you are right about the Drive by Wire. I was thinking it was setup exactly how you described your truck. Tricky as hell to setup, but worth it in the end.

Just to add to what you said about your Dual Triangulated front 4 link. To run a front link suspension without a trac bar you also have to remove the steering from the frame. I.E. steering box, pitman arm and drag link. Otherwise when you went to turn it would push the axle off center. That's why you are running an orbital valve and full hydro. Takes any pressure off of the axle from the steering and runs it thru the hydraulic ram. It's basically a smokin setup and will be well worth it when you FINALLY GET THE DAMN THING DONE.
The reason, more over, is that the steering angles do not flow in the same arch. If you are running a triangulated setup, like what I have, the axle moves vertically over bumps. If you use a drag link it swings in an arch. That's the reason the drag link and track bar should be the same length and as parallel as possible. If you use a drag link hooked up to a steering box and hit a bump the force has to go somewhere. Either into the tires or into your hands on the steering wheel. In order to make this setup work the drag link has to be parallel to the ground so there is only a push and pull. Otherwise you get lift and compression. I just wasn't smart enough to figure out how to make my drag link parallel to the ground with 14" travel shocks. LOL!!

But more on top of that.... full hydro just rocks.

I have all my suspension parts now. So you can bet it won't take me long to finish up some major stuff. I should be turning this thing via the steering wheel come tomorrow. I'm pretty excited. Now if I could just get that stupid 14 bolt diff cover from Blue Torch They still owe me some high steer arm caps that they messed up on too. But that doesn't prevent me from messin around a bit!
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awwww... I want a garage to play with stuff
if you get a garage... that just means one more thing to clean. Tomorrow morning I'm on a regroup mission to find all my lost tools.
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I got airdown thingies so that the guys don't roll their eyes after they find out I'm not aired down when I get stuck on a rock. That make sense?
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I got airdown thingies so that the guys don't roll their eyes after they find out I'm not aired down when I get stuck on a rock. That make sense?
Hell yeah it makes sense. In a lot of way airing down is just as important as hydro steering setups. Which ones did you get?
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Well, I found that out when they were airing me down on trail against my will

(I got Staun Tyre.... thingamabobs)
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I got airdown thingies so that the guys don't roll their eyes after they find out I'm not aired down when I get stuck on a rock. That make sense?
cool. I need some of those too. Eli gets sick of me borrowing his currie air deflater every time!
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Well, I found that out when they were airing me down on trail against my will

(I got Staun Tyre.... thingamabobs)
Don't worry Tiny it happens to the best of us. Joe (Absolute Offroad) was getting all pissed that his Comp Claws were wearing out on him. Come to find out he had 28 lbs. in them because he had to drive it on the street a couple times. Back down to 3 and they are back to being his favorite tire.

Good stuff. I bought the Oasis ones that let me air down to the pressure that I specify. I bought them before I even had 35's. Even with my 31's on there I still was airing down.
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Thanks for the explanation Mr C. I was looking into "making suspension of rc crawlers" the other day and saw that the 3 link setup was where the 2 upper control arms meet on top of the differential like yours.. while the 4 link setup each control arm has its own bracket, so at the end the top control arms have brackets on each side of the differential so they are no longer connected to the same bracket..thats whats confusing me since the way they explained it .. its same with space in the middle.. let me see if i can find the diagram..
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I put some speakers in the Jeep Sony X-plods 6 1/2 in in the sound pods and 5 1/4 in the dash. I even made some custom brackets that look real good I'll get some pics up. And it sounds good too.
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Got all my control arms completely burned into place and one of my coilovers completely installed.




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Mr C what are those silvery things with the holes that are hanging down? I think i saw them in the rear also... what are they used for?
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Mr C what are those silvery things with the holes that are hanging down? I think i saw them in the rear also... what are they used for?
Are you talking about the bar that runs through the bumper?? That is my currie anti rock. Only I repainted it to match. I don't think I'm going to be able to run it this go round. But that's ok. My wife will love it I'm sure

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