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Old 08-19-2012, 09:31 PM   #121
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So so true. I could have built a buggy with 43 stickys on tons with a big block cheaper then I built my JKU. And still had coin left over to buy a haul truck.

But thats not what I wanted to do.

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I wouldn't hold my breath on waves from previous generations. They have chips on their shoulders about us JK owners.
Well most of the jk owners are soccer moms (no offense im no soccer mom and i have one) are not too keen to wave at a tattooed guy in a jeep. Did get the cool guy "chin lift head nod" today though...I'm happy with that. I think I'll wave spastically like I should be wearing a foam helmet and ride the short bus from now on and see what they do.
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Well most of the jk owners are soccer moms (no offense im no soccer mom and i have one) are not too keen to wave at a tattooed guy in a jeep. Did get the cool guy "chin lift head nod" today though...I'm happy with that. I think I'll wave spastically like I should be wearing a foam helmet and ride the short bus from now on and see what they do.
That's not my experience. Sorry. I'm constantly getting waves from JK owners.

I've learned the game of "intolerance" and "arrogance." I don't bother with the previous generations unless they're modded with at least a lift and wheel/tire combo. A stock JK (especially the Rubicon...) is superior to that of any stock previous generation when it comes to offroading. Contrary to what the arrogant owners of previous generations think, that puts the JK (especially the Rubicon...) above them in the pecking order.

Previous generation owners wanna play that game, JK owners can play, too. I know what's up, as do the rest of us JK owners. One of the few reasons we don't toot our horns about it is because we're not dickheads with inferiority complexes. We're about "keeping the Jeep love" alive, not fighting over which generation is superior to which generation.

With each generation, the Wrangler's capabilities and overall package improves, off-road and on-road. Just because it may have a few more fancy buttons and an actual interior doesn't make it any softer, it's simply evolving to keep up with the times and demand. Whether people like it or not, the JK is the current "king," and the day the first next generation Wrangler leaves the assembly line, that will change.

Sorry, folks, that's just the way it is. Deal with it.
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What's the deal with the generational cliques? All Wranglers are cool.
The only thing I can think of is that a lot of JK owner's are new Jeep owner's that don't know about the Jeep wave. An older Jeep is likely to be sought out and driven by an old Jeeper, or maybe they got it new and have experience with the whole Jeep culture thing.

I had this issue with old VWs vs. new. I was driving a '64 Beetle for a while, and later a '69 Microbus. All these guys and gals wave at each other, but there was no point at waving at a college aged girl, for example, driving a New Beetle, since they didn't even make the mental connection that you were also in a VW.
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Wow, really ... I own a YJ as well as a JK and guess what, they have both been down the same fox trails and mud holes...its a Jeep; And as far as they wave goes, guess what the CJs were a new thing at one point too.
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What's the deal with the generational cliques? All Wranglers are cool.
The only thing I can think of is that a lot of JK owner's are new Jeep owner's that don't know about the Jeep wave. An older Jeep is likely to be sought out and driven by an old Jeeper, or maybe they got it new and have experience with the whole Jeep culture thing.

I had this issue with old VWs vs. new. I was driving a '64 Beetle for a while, and later a '69 Microbus. All these guys and gals wave at each other, but there was no point at waving at a college aged girl, for example, driving a New Beetle, since they didn't even make the mental connection that you were also in a VW.
Ask the previous generation owners. It's not us JK owners bagging on the previous year models. Can't say I've ever heard a previous generation model referred to as a "fake Jeep," "soccermom mobile," "girls' Jeep," "minivan," or "it's too nice," or "it sucks you can't get it without that," etc.

Now if I really wanted to be a shithead, I'd just reserve the wave for JK Rubicons.

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Wow, really ... I own a YJ as well as a JK and guess what, they have both been down the same fox trails and mud holes...its a Jeep; And as far as they wave goes, guess what the CJs were a new thing at one point too.
Well, guess what, they're not a "new thing" anymore.

I don't go out of my way to refer to the older models as "inferior" or "old rust buckets" or claim they're incapable neanderthals because of their model year.

The whole "this model's inferior to that model" bullshit and "Model Year Clique" is lame. The cheese is old and moldy, folks. Grow up and knock off the kiddie-shit.

Anytime any of you in stock previous generations wanna hit the trails so you can brag off about how much more "authetic" or "real" your stock CJ, YJ, XJ, TJ, Whatever-J is than a JK, there are plenty of us JK owners that will show you how "real" our Jeeps really are.
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That's not my experience. Sorry. I'm constantly getting waves from JK owners.

I've learned the game of "intolerance" and "arrogance." I don't bother with the previous generations unless they're modded with at least a lift and wheel/tire combo. A stock JK (especially the Rubicon...) is superior to that of any stock previous generation when it comes to offroading. Contrary to what the arrogant owners of previous generations think, that puts the JK (especially the Rubicon...) above them in the pecking order.

Previous generation owners wanna play that game, JK owners can play, too. I know what's up, as do the rest of us JK owners. One of the few reasons we don't toot our horns about it is because we're not dickheads with inferiority complexes. We're about "keeping the Jeep love" alive, not fighting over which generation is superior to which generation.

With each generation, the Wrangler's capabilities and overall package improves, off-road and on-road. Just because it may have a few more fancy buttons and an actual interior doesn't make it any softer, it's simply evolving to keep up with the times and demand. Whether people like it or not, the JK is the current "king," and the day the first next generation Wrangler leaves the assembly line, that will change.

Sorry, folks, that's just the way it is. Deal with it.
Lol wow? I'll wave anyway (was just givin my experience with owning one for a few weeks now so it's been limited at best and I just learned the wave rule..) I love my new JK and don't care If people wanna wave back or not...I'll wave when I see em and have....my point was in a few weeks if that..let's say 15-20 waves or so all I got was a cool guy head nod from one guy and the rest of the people didn't see me or didn't want to see me...either way lets calm down lol.
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Lol wow? I'll wave anyway (was just givin my experience with owning one for a few weeks now so it's been limited at best and I just learned the wave rule..) I love my new JK and don't care If people wanna wave back or not...I'll wave when I see em and have....my point was in a few weeks if that..let's say 15-20 waves or so all I got was a cool guy head nod from one guy and the rest of the people didn't see me or didn't want to see me...either way lets calm down lol.
I'm not worked up, I'm just tellin' it like it is. I'm all for waving at fellow Jeepers, they're the other Jeepers who aren't. I'm not part of the "problem."

Most of the time people are simply caught off guard. All of us aren't driving down the road paying attention to what's traveling down the opposite side of the highway. There have been many times when I'd wave and it wouldn't register with them until it's too late. I've seen them realize it and then quickly try to get a hand up. I've also been "caught sleeping" on a few occasions.
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Wow.
There wouldn't be any "wow" if people dropped their inferiority/superiority complexes. If everyone just enjoyed the Jeep hobby, things would be grand for everyone.
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There wouldn't be any "wow" if people dropped their inferiority/superiority complexes. If everyone just enjoyed the Jeep hobby, things would be grand for everyone.
I'm with Con on this one. Sure, there are differences between between the model years, but they're all Wranglers. I figure if someone sees me and doesn't wave back it's because they don't know they're in a club or they're took stuck up - either way, it's their loss and not mine.

I'm new to this Jeep thing and I'm loving it! let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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...let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.
That is the most logical statement in this entire thread. Stop crying because people are stuck up that drive Jeeps. Guess what? Stuck up people drive BMW, Toyota, Honda, Nissan; hell, I bet you could find one in a Daewoo. Does it hurt you that people out there hate, for whatever reason? You seem to put a LOT of time and thought on your frustrations associated with others' opinions. Why?

Life is much too short to be so mad at a generalized group of people, regardless of what generalizes them.
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I'm with Con on this one. Sure, there are differences between between the model years, but they're all Wranglers. I figure if someone sees me and doesn't wave back it's because they don't know they're in a club or they're took stuck up - either way, it's their loss and not mine.

I'm new to this Jeep thing and I'm loving it! let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Yeah, it's senseless garbage. It goes on in every community. There's always the douchebag who has to bash the latest and greatest thing or the douchebag who buys the latest and greatest, then bashes the older model of something; someone will have an LB9 Camaro and it's great, then get rid of it for an L98 and all of a sudden the LB9 sucks, then get rid of the L98 for the LT1 and then the L98 sucks, then get rid of the LT1 for an LS1, then the LT1 sucks, etc...

I really just don't get it. I don't see the necessity over having superiority/inferiority complexes over an older version of a particular vehicle. They were all the latest model and the best at one time. That's never going to change.

Anyway, I just don't understand why there's always gotta be the few who have to be assholed and act like they got some hot shit.
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To see all the terminology used: "us, we, them, they, etc."

We are about keeping the Jeep wave...

They are...

My point? Don't generalize. It's an assumption, and that makes you look like an ass 9 times out of 10, assuming youre lucky.
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To see all the terminology used: "us, we, them, they, etc."

We are about keeping the Jeep wave...

They are...

My point? Don't generalize. It's an assumption, and that makes you look like an ass 9 times out of 10, assuming youre lucky.
You know what they say about assuming...

Just kiddin with ya
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You know what they say about assuming...

Just kiddin with ya
I was hoping that wouldnt be lost

Aint english fun?
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Ask the previous generation owners. It's not us JK owners bagging on the previous year models[...]
But I have a TJ...and it's my only Jeep.

There are pros and cons to any Jeep-car-model-year-equipment package. I've never owned a vehicle (more than 20 so far) that I couldn't make a list of things I liked and didn't like.

I like Wranglers and the attitude that goes with them. They all get waves or at-the-gas-pump chat/questions from me.
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But I have a TJ...and it's my only Jeep.

There are pros and cons to any Jeep-car-model-year-equipment package. I've never owned a vehicle (more than 20 so far) that I couldn't make a list of things I liked and didn't like.

I like Wranglers and the attitude that goes with them. They all get waves or at-the-gas-pump chat/questions from me.
...And that's exactly how it should be.
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But I have a TJ...and it's my only Jeep.

There are pros and cons to any Jeep-car-model-year-equipment package. I've never owned a vehicle (more than 20 so far) that I couldn't make a list of things I liked and didn't like.

I like Wranglers and the attitude that goes with them. They all get waves or at-the-gas-pump chat/questions from me.
Last time I tried to talk to some at a gas pump I got some nasty remarks and he drove basically same jeep. But I love it still and I still smile when I wave and get them back no matter who or what waves back. I wave at all and try to be friendly all jeepers
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Last time I tried to talk to some at a gas pump I got some nasty remarks and he drove basically same jeep. But I love it still and I still smile when I wave and get them back no matter who or what waves back. I wave at all and try to be friendly all jeepers
See, now ya gotta tell us what those remarks were...
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See, now ya gotta tell us what those remarks were...
Yup, that's the law according to the rules. Please divulge
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See, now ya gotta tell us what those remarks were...
I asked him about his rims and tires. Shoot back with he didn't know they were there when he bought it. Then I asked how long he had it. Tells me long enough. So I tell him about these forums, says he don't need them. Try to give him a card for our jeep club, crumbles it and throws it on the ground and to go ruin my own f-ing jeep. He drives off, left his gas cap. Oh well that's what you get for being an a-hole
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His dog couldve died that day. Or his Ma. His wife couldve left him for the mailman. Ya never know.

Sounds like he was just an ass, though. Too many of them nowadays.

My 2 shillings? I wave to all I NOTICE. And I wave to all the brunettes. Dont miss those, for some odd reason, no matter what "J" theyre in.

The result I see (from a YJ): CJ wave back 50%, YJ 75%, TJ 50-60%, New J 15-20%. Thats what my scientific method tells me. I also live near a well to do area, and a big $$$ college, so I see a lot of daddys money jeeps; they tend to group with the soccermom nonwavers, I think through ignorance of wave precedent.

MOST folks in older jeeps do a good bit to keep em road worthy, and the disconect on their end is that the new jeeps are "bought" into the club, not "made", as theirs was. Sometimes thats a legit thought, sometimes not. Again, the problem here is generalizations. They are nuthin but trouble.
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I don't care if they wave back, that makes them the A-hole, not me.
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I will let y'all in on something.... I drive a chevy trailblazer 2200 miles a month on the interstate and spend a good bit of time at the gas pump. Everyone and again I will run across a wrangle and try to strike up a convo with them....... The guys/galls in the older jeeps tend to he nicer and are willing to shoot the bull while waiting on the tank to fill. Most folks in Jk's tend to be stuck up to me since I am not driving a jeep. I have had two guys with Jk's with budget boost and 35's remark that I should get a real 4x4 when I bring up offroading. Once a guy told me I had no clue what offroading was. One time I was talking to a guy that had two Jk's on a trailer and asked him about which park he was heading to, when he told me he was on his way to K2 and I said it was on my list of places to go he told me it probably wouldn't be worth my time since I wouldn't be able to do much there.

I don't tell people I have a jeep or what i have done to it unless they ask. Most of the older guys will pick up fast that I have a jeep also. The folks in the Jk's almost never ask. As a mater of fact I can tell that lots of them have that big dog attitude since they drive a jeep and have someone talking to them that they think don't have one.

Not all folks are like this but it is way over half when it comes to moded jeeps.

I think next time some D B with a rough country lift and a set of 35's tells me i don't have a clue what offroading is all about I am going to whip out my phone and show him a few picks and then say "No buddy you are the one that dont have a clue".... I hate stuck up people btw.
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Jeepers in LA suck I was 0 for 7 on wave backs this morning on my way to work. That puts me at about 2 for 200 this month.
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I think a lot of parents don't parent anymore. Too lazy. That's where all these A-holes come from. Oh well, since they never got taught/raised/spanked/schooled, eventually something really bad will happen to them to humble them and maybe they'll be better people for it. I hope so.
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Okay... to throw a different perspective out to everyone.

I don't like when random people walk up to me and start talking to me ANYWHERE. It doesn't matter if we're both driving a Jeep. I especially don't like it when I'm by myself and a strange guy gets close to me to chat.

The attitude isn't because I think I'm better than you. The attitude is because I don't trust you and you're in my space. I don't know you, and maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I'd rather you just stay over there and leave me alone during my mundane tasks.

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