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Old 01-04-2008, 05:48 PM   #1
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Where is Jeep headed? For better or for worse.

Hello all,
I think the Wrangler is one of the coolest, best, most fun, innovative, and retro vehicles out there.

I, however, dislike some of the Jeep lines. My cousin bought a Liberty and he LOVES it. He traded his Dodge Ram HEMI for that 2007 Liberty.

The Liberty, however, seems un-Jeeplike.

I don't know. I am kinda digging the new four doors and continue to love the Wranglers but some of the new Jeeps are getting too blendy and homogenized to mesh in with the mainstream.

I don't know. Just rambling. My .02 anyway.

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They have to appease the public some how. The Liberty is what took over the Cherokee... yeah they made some changes that I'm not very happy with but its still a 4WD mid-sized SUV that can beat the pants off a lot of the competition. You may not like what Jeep does with everything else other than the Wrangler, but they have to do something to stay alive with the likes of Japan being the number one auto producers.

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Great point. I see what you're saying.

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Here’s an interesting article I just read about Stephen Feinberg, owner of Cerberus Capital Management (owner of Chrysler).


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Headline: Inside story on Feinberg? Not a chance

He didn’t sneak into court with a false mustache or with his head covered by an overcoat. But those hoping for some up-close-and-personal insight last week into the secretive owner of Cerberus Capitol Management were, of course, disappointed.

Stephen Feinberg, who abhors publicity and shuns photographers and journalists, testified in a Delaware court last week in an acquisition gone bad suit against his company. His most revealing comment, as part of a who-said-what-when issue: “I don’t remember saying that”. And so on.

How much does Feinberg, whose company now owns Chrysler, hate the limelight?

An education group once honored his fund raising by making him the guest of honor at a swanky dinner at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York. After a speaker paid him homage, according to Fortune magazine, it came time for Feinberg to address the multitude. His remarks – delivered from his table, not from the rostrum “Thank you and good night”.

According to Conde Nast, Feinberg once shared with a small group of Wall Street investors his philosophy on media relations: “If anyone at Cerberus has his picture in the paper…we will do more that fire that person. We will kill him. The jail sentence will be worth it”. He may have been kidding.
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I might not make any friends with this opinion but its mine and im entitled to it.
I think after the TJ Jeeps stopped really looking like Jeeps and more like the generic SUV/Hummer/Toyotas that all of them are looking like these days.

Jeep has a long tradition and the design is a major part of that. Its kinda like the VW Beetles. I mean the new Beetles are nice, kinda similar to the old classic ones but still, the engine is in the front for gods sake. Thats sacriledge!

I love Cjs, YJs, TJs but anything after that to me, sorry, isnt really what I call 'in the JEEP tradition/style/keeping'. I know they have to keep up with the times n all to sell vehicles but I think after the TJ, they lost everything that a JEEP should be that makes it a Jeep. Sorry if that offends, just one mans opinion. Same with the VW Beetle, Same with the Mini Cooper, Same with the MG, Mustang, GTO, Malibu, etc etc
I had all those cars back in the 80s/90s and the modern day versions are just not in keeping with the tradition.

Maybe im just an old fart whos missing my youth lol
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I know they may can it after 2010 but I have a Commander as well as my TJ. I love the XK. People always say wow thats a Jeep! Or this rides better than my Lexus rx350. So while the brand evolves...Compass, Patriot, Liberty, etc... I think its ok if not everything in their line up is total off-road like the Wangler. Most jeeps have multiple 4x4 options which make them stand out against the competition. Also being a Jeep guy its great to see the "Brand" on the road more with the 7 models. just my opinion.
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For an auto maker to stay in business they have to have a broad appeal. A specialty segment (like us wranglerites) cannot support their profitablity. So they offer "something for everyone". As long as they still cater to the offroading segment and offer vehicles that are superior to other offroad vehicles, aftermarket companies will produce products to enhance that use.

Besides, there are a lot of cj,yj, and tj's out there to support our habit for quite a while, should they not produce a new line that meets our needs. They may just get more expensive.
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...I think after the TJ, they lost everything that a JEEP should be that makes it a Jeep. Sorry if that offends, just one mans opinion. Same with the VW Beetle, Same with the Mini Cooper, Same with the MG, Mustang, GTO, Malibu, etc etc
Not offended at all but I believe the Wrangler still has some Jeep left in her. It took a minute for me to come around but they are still the most capable out of the box ORV out there.

...and as far as the Mustang goes. If you haven't ridden in a new Shebly you may want to hold on to that opinion for a bit. With the retro styling, the growl still in tact (nothing sounds like a Mustang), and the feeling you get in the seat of your pants by pressing down the skinny pedal and releasing the clutch... I'd say the fellas at Ford have upheld the Mustang legacy quite nicely with this version.

The GTO was blah even with the impressive HP, the Malibu is fugly, and the Mini Cooper and VW bug are for girls.

I just can't wait for this... I'm not a big Mopar guy but OH MY GAWD!!!



BOT... as long as Jeep keeps making the vehicle I like it really doesn't bother me that they are producing the blah blah blah mobiles to keep up with the ever growing population of soccer moms out there.
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I think the JK will be the last solid axle of it's kind. Like was said above, they have to please the market and our kind are shrinking. I do see more built TJ's tan-non build TJ's but there seems to be more non-built JK's than built, probably because of the 2wd. I also like that there are 7 Jeep labeled vehicles, at least provide some competition for all the others. The JK will probably last 6 or 7 years, I wonder what after that???
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I just can't wait for this... I'm not a big Mopar guy but OH MY GAWD!!!

YES! If I can afford one, that will be my next DD. iF not I'll have to settle on a Japanese gas-sipper.
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Smile Stepping gently into the future of Jeep!

Hello. I am new here. Found your post right up the jeep trail. I just bought a 2008 Wrangler. I have owned several jeep products and my dad use to own a few as well as my friends. I am by no means an expert. I think some of the jeep products are odd innovations. The new Wrangler I am driving has been excellent so far. It will not appeal to everyone. Here is a little about it. Powertrain wise it has the V6 and the four speed automatic. I find the lifetime warranty to be a benefit. The styling has been very intelligent. For starters, the emergency brake is on the driver side of the center console. I use to own a 1992 Wrangler. The classic qualities are still there. A simple step back is the round headlights which have improved since 97. I am a person who likes a vehicle that lives up to certain standards. I believe that there is room for improvement in new Jeep products.

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haha edited for spelling fixes who does that
j/k i obviously dont

yeah i aht ethe YJ's with there square headlights too

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oh and dont foget to wave there arent enough JK folks taht wave!
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I've had my Jeep a month now and have probly seen 100 other Jeeps on the road, not ONE of them have waved so F'em all im not going to either any more
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I'm from Los Angeles and there aren't that many jeeps around. Where I live, there are a lot of high end stuff but I think my Jeep is awesome because it's so retro-ee, stylish, and is filled with character.

My wife drives an ML and I just ended a lease on a Mercedes. I must say that my Wrangler is freakin' LOADS of more fun that any vehicle I've driven. Yes, I've had my share of sports cars but wow, this Jeep, there is NOTHING like it.

If you put the front window down, take the top off, and remove the doors, it will be like driving an Ariel Atom.



By the way, a neighbor of mine has one and he loves it because it is unlike any other car. On highways, he tells me that bugs are tasty yet exquisite.
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New safety standards prohibit Jeep from making them the same way they always have. OBD3 requires that no section of the fuel tank be behind the rear axle and that vehicles not only protect the driver in a crash, but a pedestrian who gets hit by it. This means they need to redesign the bumpers to alow them to deflect a persons knees, they also need to remove things like hood hinges that will damage a person who gets hit and come onto the hood. New hoods even have to have crumple zones to absorb the impact of a person coming down on it. There are many other standards that will limit what they can do to keep heritage in their vehicles. I think they will do a fine job though. People bashed the TJ when it came out too, no jeep should ever come with premium audio, or an interior that flashy, and see how we all (almost all?) love it now.
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I personally feel that Jeep is moving in a great direction. The JK is more capable in STOCK form than any comparable 4WD made including the TJ. But to compete with the leading manufacturers (which GM is now #1 again) they have to make some SUVs to compete... especially in fuel efficiency and interior comfort. That is why vehicles like the Patriot have come into existence, and I am thankful. My wife would never drive a wrangler, and we could never afford a Grand Cerokee or a Liberty with any options on it... but I managed to get her to buy a jeep once she test drove the Patriot. It may never crawl rocks or even see more than a gravel road, but there are still soccer Moms out there who need 4WD when it snows hard. I think we all just need to remember that Jeep needs to only make one vehicle for hard core off-road enthusiasts and the JK fills that genre all on its own. The rest of the Jeep line can then appeal to others who would never leave pavement.

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We also have a Jeep Patriot. The Patriot belongs to my better half and I have the Wrangler. The Patriot does about 90 miles per day going back and forth to work. It's an excellent Highway vehicle, rides like a car and gets good MPG. We had a Pontiac Vibe before this and its way better then that pontiac ever was. Plus our Patriot is a 4X4 and seems to work very well when the surface is slippery.
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I've had my Jeep a month now and have probly seen 100 other Jeeps on the road, not ONE of them have waved so F'em all im not going to either any more
I noticed that to. Maybe they are first time Wrangler buyers and are unaware of the wave. I still wave hoping that they will pick up on it sooner or later
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I noticed that to. Maybe they are first time Wrangler buyers and are unaware of the wave. I still wave hoping that they will pick up on it sooner or later
x2 "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" i just wave.. .if they dont, then oh well.
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I read an article once about the wave. It said that some people don't recognize the wave so you should just wave at the Jeep and not the person, If the person waves back then thats just a plus. When i wave at another Wrangler i get about half the people wave, and have do not. I do think its kinda a cool thing though. We are all like one big happy family.
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seems like around here all of them wave and theres quite a few jeeps around here. maybe they all wave cause i do but it seems rare to get one who doesnt.
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around here in nh i almost always get a wave back...funny story actually i saw a fellow tj owner pulling out of a wendys drive thru, i gave him a wave, and despite all of the food he had in his hands he still gave the wave back and ended up dropping whatever it was he had in his hand...now THAT is a dedicated jeep owner lol sacrificing a meal to wave to a fellow jeeper...

Moving on, about the new jeeps coming out, i know that jeep has to produce more models to sell more vehicles...auto manufacturers need to keep up with the trend to sell vehicles and the trend today is more towards highway friendly SUV's rather than off road capable SUV's because the vast majority will never take their SUV offroad at all.

Now me being in that small majority of owners who actually venture off the pavement with their SUV hates to see jeep go this direction, but i realize im in a small group of owners and that most owners have no interest in venturing down trails and over rocks like i do...jeep cant cater entirely to our small minority group who uses offroad SUV's like they're intended to be used for, so they make street friendly versions with IFS, 2wd, ect...

Even though road manners are top priority now in most of jeeps vehicles, almost every one of those vehicles has a 4wd system in it and is capable of taking on snow, rutted dirt roads, and some very MILD off road travel. The only exception to this on the jeep line is the compass...i believe it is only a 2wd vehicle that is probably incapable of any off road travel and to be honest i really dont know why jeep has this model out...it didnt get great reviews anyway and seeing as there are so many other "suv's" or "cute utes" like this one produced by other manufacturers, i dont know why anyone would be interested in it. IMO when someone is looking for a jeep they are looking for an SUV with 4wd, not a vehicle like the compass. That would be like jeep putting out a sedan...it just wouldnt make sense...whos going to think oh i need a sedan lets go to a jeep dealer...?


But jeep is still aware of owners like ourselves and thats why i believe they will always have a true offroad capable vehicle on the market like the wrangler, and also why i believe the rubicon model is here to stay. Although we are a small portion of the market, we're still a portion of it and they can still make money off of us. The wrangler isnt going anywhere anytime soon, the new JK make look strange to some because of the new safety standards, but they still found a way to make it more capable then ever off road.

I also believe the wrangler is the last true offroad vehicle out there because of the solid axles. I cant think of any other SUV out there that has solid axles anymore and that just shows that jeep hasn't sacrificed the wrangler's offroad ability for road comfort at all. It may be more "luxury" than a cj, but it can still wheel just as good if not better than a cj.


Well now that ive gone on forever about this subject i guess i can sum it all up by saying even though jeep is turning towards highway friendly SUV's, i believe there will always be a true offroad jeep vehicle out there for us. I just dont see jeep ever destroying the wrangler heritage...
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its funny im on this tiny island and a few people here have jeeps, but you see the same people every other day. i wave every time we pass and i guess theyve finally given in as some of them have started waving back. maybe they think they know me or something but who cares as long as they wave!
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Interesting article.

Nice. I feel connected to other Jeep Cherokees and Wagoneers.

I was at the beach and I waved at an old Toyota Land Cruiser. He smiled and waved back and we just nodded at each other like we knew something no one else did.

I love my Jeep and I love my Toyota.

Too bad the FJ40 faded; but hey, their attempt at the FJ Cruiser is pretty cool.

My Jeep; where do I start. I constantly look out on my driveway and marvel at my Jeep. It's so beautiful; dirty and clean. I envision the top off, doors off, music blaring, the wind gusting, and mud up ahead. O, how sweet it is to dream.
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Im sorry I dont subscribe to this point of view
I pretty much HATE with a passion everyone else on the road around where I live, NOBODY can drive in this state they are such oblivious ignorant assholes every one of them almost. I dont get waves from anyone so screw it im back to hating everyone now even the jeep owners.
Yes im generalising but If youve driven in Arkansas you know what im talking about. MORONS 98% of the people on the roads around here.

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