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Old 10-12-2010, 08:03 PM   #31
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Tell ya what kids,its all about to happen here real soon and if you made the wrong decision on tread you'll know it,we are gonna see a temp drop from hell before we see snow and that means ice.Here it comes.Nothing beats a cool head and light foot in inclement weather.Be careful.One thing I'm searching for this winter is chains................Might have to make a set.My tires have the holes for studs,they are down enough this yr I just might zing some sheet metal screws in em.

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Old 10-12-2010, 10:59 PM   #32
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My Claws worked great off road in the snow, but on the road I would slide everywhere. Stopping was absolutely horrible with no ABS, I could pump them as fast as I could and the rears would lock immediately. I siped mine with a razor and there is a night and day difference for traction in snow pack and ice. There is some pics of what i did in my Jeep Profile for those interested.

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Old 10-12-2010, 11:01 PM   #33
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Sipping makes a huge difference in my opinion. I've run plenty of different mts over the years but my current set on my LJ are irok radials with the factory sipping and they are absolutely amazing in the snow
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:14 PM   #34
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I have to say I am a bit confused by the talk of a soft tire compound being bad in the winter. Every thing i have ever encountered states that softer is better in the winter. A summer tire that gets good wear will be rock hard in the winter with no grip due to a harder compound and the cold making it even harder, while a softer compound tire, which is what snow tires use, stays more flexible and will have more traction in the cold at the expense of faster wear if used in warmer weather.
This would make sense to me. Crossing over hobbies here, but in motorcycle racing, rain tires are insanely soft because the rain cools the tire dramatically. When run in dry conditions they burn up in a matter of a couple laps because of how soft they are.
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Old 10-13-2010, 09:59 AM   #35
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My Claws worked great off road in the snow, but on the road I would slide everywhere. Stopping was absolutely horrible with no ABS, I could pump them as fast as I could and the rears would lock immediately. I siped mine with a razor and there is a night and day difference for traction in snow pack and ice. There is some pics of what i did in my Jeep Profile for those interested.

When doing a home siping job is there any kind of art to it or a particular way? Anything to avoid or do? Just take a blade and cut some strips across the tread lugs? close together far apart?
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My Claws worked great off road in the snow, but on the road I would slide everywhere. Stopping was absolutely horrible with no ABS, I could pump them as fast as I could and the rears would lock immediately. I siped mine with a razor and there is a night and day difference for traction in snow pack and ice. There is some pics of what i did in my Jeep Profile for those interested.
I haven't had ANY of the problems with my Claws that you've had. Different snow maybe? The snow we get is usually pretty wet here.
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I'm running Dick Cepek Crushers, 33 x 12.5 on my automatic Rubicon, been through 2 winters with them and haven't had a problem yet. Deliberately drove into a parking spot that had been filled by plow, snow was close to 24" deep and pretty thick from the plow throwing it from a full lane...and didn't even slide an inch. When I first put them on, we had an ice storm and I had to strap a little little car a quarter mile flat and then up a hill a quarter mile-all slick ice-and I had no trouble. I had the tires only a month at that point and I had thought I'd have to winch us both up-but it pulled him up and out to the main road with zero problem! Love those crushers-it takes well over a foot of mud with clay underneath to stop them....
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siping works by allowing water to displace from the flat surfaces of those flat surface can grip the pavement.
X2, with an addendum... friction. Same principle as ice skates... friction makes a thin film of water and with that much surface area you "float" on that thin film. Tires overcome that because they flex and create sharp corners on the lead edge of their tread than can get through the film easily, and mud tires do badly because they have a few less corners than other types of tires. siping adds more sharp corners...


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When doing a home siping job is there any kind of art to it or a particular way? Anything to avoid or do? Just take a blade and cut some strips across the tread lugs? close together far apart?
Get a razor blade (square single edge blades work best), hold it in vice grips, and heat it up every once in a while with a candle or torch. Not red hot so it burns the rubber, but hot enough it'll burn you. Closer together gets you better traction but causes em to "chunk out" in the spring. 1/4" is pretty safe.

If you have any hope of road hazard or warranty coverage, have the shop that sold you the tires do it. If you sipe your own, the tire place will blame anything and everything on your sipes...
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Old 10-13-2010, 10:46 AM   #39
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This will be my first winter with mudders on Snotty. With as much snow as we get here in NE Ohio, i should be able to give a accurate report on their effect.
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Get a razor blade (square single edge blades work best), hold it in vice grips, and heat it up every once in a while with a candle or torch. Not red hot so it burns the rubber, but hot enough it'll burn you. Closer together gets you better traction but causes em to "chunk out" in the spring. 1/4" is pretty safe.

If you have any hope of road hazard or warranty coverage, have the shop that sold you the tires do it. If you sipe your own, the tire place will blame anything and everything on your sipes...
Thats pretty much how i did mine except did not use a torch, it cut fine without it. I only did the center lugs so the outside ones would not chunk out while side biting rocks.

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