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Old 04-29-2011, 10:01 AM   #1
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Why is 2wd such a blasphemy?

Coming from Pickups which are common in 2wd and 4wd I don't get why 2wd is such blasphemy on a jeep.
I've owned more 2wd trucks than 4wd simply because I like the ground clearance and the ability to go down bumpy dirt roads with no worry but I don't do the true definition of offroading.
I also like having less parasitic HP drain by the 4wd parts(2wd trucks have more towing capacity than a 4wd with the same engine).
Now, before you think I'm bashing 4wd I'm not.
I think 4wd is awesome when used in a situation that it's needed for.
But I think there's room for 2wd especially when used for basic transportation.
The things that recently attracted me to jeep are:

1. RWD with a live axle.
I'm not a fan of FWD and most RWD vehicles now come with CV axles in the back, not cool.

2. It has a back seat.
As a new father I now need a back seat.
I know that 4 door trucks are now common but I don't really want one.
Besides, you can't put the top down on a 4 door truck.

3. Simplicity.
As a truck owner I always preferred manual windows, manual transmission, almost no gadgets, and a rubber floor. I don't want a rolling bling machine, I want a machine that stays working and I can actually fix.
I guess simplicity also pushes me toward 2wd.

Some may call me a poser for wanting a 2wd jeep but I think it's much worse to get 4wd and big tires if the person never intends to offroad or drive in snow.

Last point then I'll brace for the flaming- R.I.P the inline six.
I was really hoping that jeep still made the inline six. I never met a domestic inline six I didn't like and getting one in a newer vehicle would have been the icing on the cake.

Ok, flame away or feel free to add.

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Heh Heh, nothing wrong with 2wd, I've had a BUNCH of 2wd cars.trucks, but

Those are for urban reality-this is a JEEP forum-4wd/off-road/go anywhere forum-

I think you would be much happier in a truck forum, it's kinda like belonging to a handgun forum and posting all the attributes of your BUCK KNIFE !!

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Jeeps were breed off-road originally... we've gone from the go anywhere do anything machines of old, to a "civilized" (dumbed down and more complicated) mall crawler that can become the go anywhere do anything machine of old.

Kind of like arnold back in the old days when he was all muscle, and now hes gone flabby. He could go back the gym and get Huge, like his old self (rubicon, or aftermarket parts), or he could stay soft (sahara (MPO))
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x2 on what peepers said, its the whole concept of a jeep, its the go anywhere, do anything vehicle.. but Jeep made some 2WD so do whats right for you.. If its that much cheaper go for it!
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I imagine one of the major downsides of a 2wd Jeep vs. 4wd Jeep is going to come when you try and sell it. I could be way off base but I imagine that would affect the price your going to get fairly significantly
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Because a pickup is still useful if it's only 2WD. Pickups are meant to haul things, plain and simple, which can be done in 2WD or 4WD.

You take 4WD away from a Jeep and you've essentially neutered it into pointlessness.

This is why I can't understand people that buy a Jeep and never take the top off and never take it off road. Why didn't they just buy a cheaper car?!
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I don't think there's anything wrong with RWD. In fact, it can present a whole new set of interesting challenges if you take it off-road. I think it's just that most Jeeps have been 4WD throughout the years, so it just seems more fitting. You wouldn't want a FWD Mustang or Camaro.

But then, I'm a sucker for the unusual, especially when it comes to cars.
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2wd is horrible in the snow.... 2wd is horrible in the mud...2wd is horrible in the sand...... 2wd is horrible on the trail...... 2wd is horrible on the rocks.... 2wd is horrible at the boat ramp..... dont seem like much fun to me.
my first car was a dakota 2wd and as much as i loved it ill never buy a 2wd truck again..... love my jeep.... strongly recoment a late model tj to anyone.....

as for clearance a bb is cheap and easy....
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Heh Heh, nothing wrong with 2wd, I've had a BUNCH of 2wd cars.trucks, but

Those are for urban reality-this is a JEEP forum-4wd/off-road/go anywhere forum-

I think you would be much happier in a truck forum, it's kinda like belonging to a handgun forum and posting all the attributes of your BUCK KNIFE !!

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I may have not have come off the way I intended.
I wasn't boasting the attibutes of a truck over a jeep I was actually complimenting the 2wd jeep.

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Jeeps were breed off-road originally... we've gone from the go anywhere do anything machines of old, to a "civilized" (dumbed down and more complicated) mall crawler that can become the go anywhere do anything machine of old.

Kind of like arnold back in the old days when he was all muscle, and now hes gone flabby. He could go back the gym and get Huge, like his old self (rubicon, or aftermarket parts), or he could stay soft (sahara (MPO))
I wasn't thinking muscular OR flabby.
I was thinking nimble and free.
The mall crawler with lots of complicated gadgets is not for me either.
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Because a pickup is still useful if it's only 2WD. Pickups are meant to haul things, plain and simple, which can be done in 2WD or 4WD.

You take 4WD away from a Jeep and you've essentially neutered it into pointlessness.

This is why I can't understand people that buy a Jeep and never take the top off and never take it off road. Why didn't they just buy a cheaper car?!
As far as hauling, the unlimited with the seats down and top down can probably haul as much as a small pickup. If I get the jeep the top definitely will come down and it will go off of paved roads, just not off roading in mud or like the sport of offroading is concerned.
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Because a pickup is still useful if it's only 2WD. Pickups are meant to haul things, plain and simple, which can be done in 2WD or 4WD.

You take 4WD away from a Jeep and you've essentially neutered it into pointlessness.

This is why I can't understand people that buy a Jeep and never take the top off and never take it off road. Why didn't they just buy a cheaper car?!
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2wd is horrible in the snow.... 2wd is horrible in the mud...2wd is horrible in the sand...... 2wd is horrible on the trail...... 2wd is horrible on the rocks.... 2wd is horrible at the boat ramp..... dont seem like much fun to me.
my first car was a dakota 2wd and as much as i loved it ill never buy a 2wd truck again..... love my jeep.... strongly recoment a late model tj to anyone.....

as for clearance a bb is cheap and easy....
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my philosophy is if its a truck and its only 2wd... its missing some parts
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Yeah, at least where I'm from 2wd trucks can be pretty useless. They're great for hauling on paved surfaces, but even trying to drive up a steep, wet, grassy hill can be difficult for a 2wd truck. Most of us are hauling firewood, brush, etc.. and frequently are off the paved road getting to and from where we're hauling things. There certainly is a place for a 2wd truck, but its not in my driveway. Maybe if you had a truck that only towed a trailer on a paved road, but my truck does much more for me than that.

As for 2wd Jeeps, it just doesn't seem right.
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Two male twins at my high school had to drive their mothers jeep to school for their "first" vehicle. Well, it was stil hers, so she made them keep it how she wanted it. First, it was a 2wd TJ with the 4-banger. Also, it had a huger sticker accross the front windshield that says "Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls."

We had a lot of fun with them at school.
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2wd is horrible in the snow.... 2wd is horrible in the mud...2wd is horrible in the sand...... 2wd is horrible on the trail...... 2wd is horrible on the rocks.... 2wd is horrible at the boat ramp..... dont seem like much fun to me.
my first car was a dakota 2wd and as much as i loved it ill never buy a 2wd truck again..... love my jeep.... strongly recoment a late model tj to anyone.....

as for clearance a bb is cheap and easy....
ok, i gota say it, but those bolded areas are just not true. sure, to some one who doesnt know how to deal with it, snow can be a hassle. but a little practice, and most time you dont even need 4 wheel drive for snow, depending on how deep it is. lets face it, unless you want to go snow wheeling, or live in an area that gets more then half a foot of snow at a time, you really not NEED 4 wheel drive. when i first got a 4 wheel drive vehicle, i used put it in 4hi once in the snow, when i was learning, after that, never again. i simply did not need it. i have no problem driving a 2wd F150 around in the snow, did it last winter, just had to watch my throttle foot, and not drive like an idiot.

as far as boat rams go, since 2005 when i first started launching, ive never needed 4 wheel drive there either. this involves launching everything from a single jet ski, to boats over 20 feet long(BTW, these are boats that would be out of the tow range of a JKU anyways) sure, bigger boats generally require you get your tow rig a little more wet, yet ive still never needed 4 wheel drive while at the ramp.

while i do not plan on owning a 2wd wrangler, i can see why some one would want to. and im not gona pick on them for that. after all, its still a wrangler, and even in 2wd, its more cab able then a lot of other things out there. it sounds like the OP knows exactly what he wants in a vehicle, and it just so happens that a 2wd JKU fits the bill pretty well. i see no reason not to get one then.
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2. It has a back seat.
As a new father I now need a back seat.
I know that 4 door trucks are now common but I don't really want one.
Besides, you can't put the top down on a 4 door truck.

3. Simplicity.
As a truck owner I always preferred manual windows, manual transmission, almost no gadgets, and a rubber floor. I don't want a rolling bling machine, I want a machine that stays working and I can actually fix.
I guess simplicity also pushes me toward 2wd.

Some may call me a poser for wanting a 2wd jeep but I think it's much worse to get 4wd and big tires if the person never intends to offroad or drive in snow.

Last point then I'll brace for the flaming- R.I.P the inline six.
I was really hoping that jeep still made the inline six. I never met a domestic inline six I didn't like and getting one in a newer vehicle would have been the icing on the cake.

Ok, flame away or feel free to add.
If you don't NEED or think that you'll never utilize the 4WD, why pay for it?
Sounds to me like a 4dr JK would be a perfect match for you.

The ONLY two reasons I'd encourage you to get 4WD are:
1) Once you have a Jeep, you will probably find yourself lured into adventures that you didn't know you could have and you will kick yourself for not being able to tag along. It's an amazing experience and a terrific way to meet new people, make new friends and share real quality time with your family.







2) Resale value. A 2WD is not going to hold it as well as a 4WD because the demand is simply not there

As far as the 4.0, don't shy away from the engine they put in the JK. It's proving to be more economical than the 4.0 and tough as nails so far. Folks who have them are pleased and impressed with them and they're running circles around the 4.0 for mileage.
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Two male twins at my high school had to drive their mothers jeep to school for their "first" vehicle. Well, it was stil hers, so she made them keep it how she wanted it. First, it was a 2wd TJ with the 4-banger. Also, it had a huger sticker accross the front windshield that says "Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls."

We had a lot of fun with them at school.
They didn't make 2WD TJ's.........

Hey Kate! I know those people in that first pic!
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Tagging along or keeping up won't be a problem since I've haven't been much into doing anything in groups since I was a teenager. From my experience I've seen too many wannabees trying to keep up with the alpha showoff until something bad happens.
People said I'd have to keep upgrading my Harley to keep up with those guys but instead I got it the way I like and left it alone. I don't ride with other bikes either.
I guess I go for rides to get AWAY from people not be with them.
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They didn't make 2WD TJ's.........
X2!

Which brings up another reason why 2WD is so frowned upon in the jeep world.
The JKU already takes it's fair share of heat, but making a JKU the first available 2WD wrangler only magnifies that by 1,000,000 and essentially turned it from a "off roading not for everyone" vehicle to "now trying to appease the masses".

I'm not a JK or JKU hater by any means, just sharing where the feeling of "blasphemy" might be coming from.
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Tagging along or keeping up won't be a problem since I've haven't been much into doing anything in groups since I was a teenager. From my experience I've seen too many wannabees trying to keep up with the alpha showoff until something bad happens.
People said I'd have to keep upgrading my Harley to keep up with those guys but instead I got it the way I like and left it alone. I don't ride with other bikes either.
Take it from experience. Always off road with a buddy. Lots and lots of bad examples of people in unfortunate bad situations alone.
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Jeeps were breed off-road originally... we've gone from the go anywhere do anything machines of old, to a "civilized" (dumbed down and more complicated) mall crawler that can become the go anywhere do anything machine of old.

Kind of like arnold back in the old days when he was all muscle, and now hes gone flabby. He could go back the gym and get Huge, like his old self (rubicon, or aftermarket parts), or he could stay soft (sahara (MPO))
saharas can't go offroad??? Wtf I better tell all the people I know who have em they better be careful not to then!
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They didn't make 2WD TJ's.........

Hey Kate! I know those people in that first pic!
Technically they did make 2wd TJs just wasnt an option for the general public.. They made them for rural mail delivery vehicles and other fleet or municipal uses, that being said once USPS office our whoever owns them decides to get new vehicles they would likely sell them to the general public or auction or something..
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Take it from experience. Always off road with a buddy. Lots and lots of bad examples of people in unfortunate bad situations alone.
I appreciate the concern but I would hardly call the dirt roads I explore true offroading. Although it's a bit bumpy a regular car could probaby pass these roads. They are more dry and desolate than deep woods.
Then there's the national parks which pose no real threat either.
I'm looking forward to someday taking the kids to some of the beautiful places I've been.
I used to do a lot of touring on motorcycles but not your big touring bike, rather a standard MC with a back pack on my back and a bag strapped to the back seat. I'd like to share some of these places with my kids in a few years and a jeep with the doors off and the roof down seems like the ideal way to do this. Like many of you I see freedom in a jeep, just a little differently than the sporting types. I see long distance travel then open air once we get there. Seeing these places boxed in behind glass and metal wouldn't seem right to me. I've had 4wd vehicles in the past and I honest didn't need it. Besides, I like doing my own work to my vehicles and I like as few moving parts and wear items as possible.
When I first saw the 4 door wrangler I didn't like it. I thought it was a wannabee hummer but the more I've been around the unlimiteds the more I liked them. I saw the possibilties, the freedom, and the flexibility of what I could uses it for. It can be a family vehicle without making me feel trapped in a box. It can ease the pain of not being able to take the motorcycle out as much as I used to. With twins I need storage with the seats still in and up. (Twin coaches are BIG and so is the diaper bag).
As a single dad there is no second vehicle or moms mini van to load up.
So if this makes me not the typical jeep guy I guess I'll have to live with it.
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But why not get one with 4wd is it essentially a cost issue? Cause I can't imagine not having 4wd even as a just in case thing at this point.
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Everything you said makes you a jeeper. Owning a 2wd doesn't make you any different or less (i can think of several Rubicon owners who I don't consider "jeepers"). Just speaking to why it's generally looked down on.
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In all honesty, what does it really matter what opinions we hold? We're just a bunch of people with a common denominator (Jeeps) that happen to share a website. Sure, we've all (or at least most of us have) connected on levels other than Jeeps, but at the end of the day, YOU'RE the one writing the monthly Jeep payment on YOUR Jeep, so get what suits YOUR needs the most. If a 2wd model is what you want/need, then get it and enjoy it, regardless of a bunch of anonymous internet opinions. We're here to help each other (and sometimes to push each other's buttons ), so we'll support your decision either way. You might get a bit of good-natured ribbing for buying a 2wd, but I'm sure it'll be in jest and not hateful.
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They didn't make 2WD TJ's.........

Hey Kate! I know those people in that first pic!
Pretty cool people! I met them on some forum somewhere...
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Hey if it works for you that's awesome! But it definitely not for me or my area and my hobbies that include snow and mud.
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In all honesty, what does it really matter what opinions we hold? We're just a bunch of people with a common denominator (Jeeps) that happen to share a website. Sure, we've all (or at least most of us have) connected on levels other than Jeeps, but at the end of the day, YOU'RE the one writing the monthly Jeep payment on YOUR Jeep, so get what suits YOUR needs the most. If a 2wd model is what you want/need, then get it and enjoy it, regardless of a bunch of anonymous internet opinions. We're here to help each other (and sometimes to push each other's buttons ), so we'll support your decision either way. You might get a bit of good-natured ribbing for buying a 2wd, but I'm sure it'll be in jest and not hateful.
^^This^^

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