I've just registered to this forum now because I came upon a craigslist ad for a 1999 Jeep Wrangler. I am 20 years old and I live at home with my Mom and sister. Up until recently I was too stubborn to get a job and the chance of me getting a car was non-existent. Now, however I have two jobs both minimum wage and I make enough to be able to pay for gas on my own and help with insurance as well so now I am in the market for a car. My family is going to be helping me purchase my first vehicle which I appreciate more than I can really convey to anybody because the idea of owning my own car has been but a pipe dream for the past 4 years.
I've always admired Jeeps, wranglers especially. I love the way they look and the concept of taking the top off in the summer is something that excites me because I always have my window down in any car that I ride in. Call me crazy but I love fresh air.
Here is my dilemma.
My mother once owned a Jeep Cherokee. One of the older box-ee type ones. She always had problems with it and it was always in the shop and she put more money into it than it was worth. This has given her a jaded perspective on the name Jeep entirely. When I brought up the Jeep Wrangler that I found she instantly wrote me off and told me to forget about it. I convinced her today that I want to talk about it more but I'm having trouble convincing her when she comes to me with her laptop with a consumer reports page for models ranging from 2007 to present. The Jeep I found on craigslist is a 1999 model like I said earlier. I've talked to the owner twice in the last 24 hours for about 30 minutes each time. He is a 35 year old who really really loves his Jeep and I can tell from his energy talking about this particular Jeep that he has taken very good care of it and the pictures are proof of that. My mom seems to think that because the consumer reports website has bad ratings on just about everything excluding the engine that when I get this car from the owner I'm going to have nothing but problems but I really don't think that's a realistic way of looking at things.
I need opinions from people who own Jeep Wranglers. I need to hear from people with experience that this isn't a terrible idea for my first car and that it will be worth the money.
Here's a little information from the craigslist ad so you have an idea of what I'm working with.
"Selling my '99 Jeep Wrangler... Black with Light Tan interior. BRAND NEW 31' TIRES. Brand new Motor. Body is in Beautiful shape. Runs and drives PERFECT!!. Hard top, half hard doors, upper half doors are slider glass windows. Chrome American racing rims. Alpine Cd player."
And here's the car itself
I asked the owner how many miles are on the new engine he said ~35-40k. The body however has 200K miles on it but I think that's less important.
I've asked him about any accidents he's been in he told me he clipped a deer and it broke his right head light and scratched the right side of the car and he immediately replaced the headlight and redid the entire right side because he's so meticulous. I can tell from talking to the guy that he is passionate about his Jeeps he's owned 5 since he was 18 and he's 35 now. He's selling it for $7000 which is in my price range.
I need your help convincing my family that this will be a good car for me. Like I said i've always admired Jeep Wranglers I can't help but turn my head when I see someone drive by in the summer with no doors and the hard top off. I honestly think this car will be a good fit for me not some damn Honda Civic.
1st. consumer reports are idiots. You can find hundreds of jeepers here on the forum who will say the same thing. I believe there a few threads here also about them.
2nd a wrangler is not a cherokee!!! With that said, cherokees make very good rock crawlers because of their wheel base and there is room for all of your gear. I have a wrangler and have had to build a trailer to haul all of my gear.
3rd You can fix your wrangler yourself and do alot of the mods
4th it depends on the owner and how well they take care of the vehicle, preventive maintenance, etc. etc. For example....my daughter wanted my mustang that I had for over 5 years w/o any problems. I had the shop check it out and repair anything it needed. In a year and half she had run that vehicle into the ground where it required over $1300.00 in repairs and yes Daddy paid for it and her ears are still covered!!!!
5th you can find posts on here where other jeepers have had their jeeps for very long periods of time with over 200k and 300k miles on them. Presently, I have almost 125k miles on mine. When the motor does finally go bad it is STROKER time
And yes, things go bad, did I mention you can fix most things yourself and that just gives you an excuse to upgrade.
For any problems you may have with the jeep you also have the forum. There are some really itelligent guys on here that know a whole lot about jeeps
So good luck in your endeavor to join the addiction
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When I die I am going to be buried with my Jeep, cause I haven't yet found a hole it can't get out of!!!!!
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I'll put it to you this way, if I had gotten a jeep as my first car, I'd probably still have it. However, I don't think I would have saved any money. If you have to pay for insurance, gas, repairs, etc., you're better off with the beater civic, camry or corolla for 3k and saving your money for a jeep down the road. At min wage you're likely burning an hour of your time in fuel just to get there and back. If your parents are covering most everything but gas and insurance, you'd probably be fine. Maintenance can be a killer if you don't do things yourself.... there's a lot more general maintenance items than a civic.
But, if you live in the burbs or country and have access to tools, there isn't much you can't do yourself to keep costs down. It's more or less fun to work on a car, so you'll likely keep up with doing it. You can also pick up the parts yourself and make nice with a shop to do labor.
Consumer reports gives jeeps shitty ratings because of the ride, comfort, noise, etc. etc., a bunch of whining if you ask me for an offroad vehicle. The wrangler is what it is, but consumer reports has their own idea of what it should be. Just look at owner satisfaction value and strength in residual value. You could always throw out the "if I f*ck up you'll be able to sell it and not lose any money" card.
Just know that you WILL only be getting 12-15 MPG. In the end, there are better things out there for you if you're really set on a 4x4, like a taco or 4-runner, that will (1) still be a badass truck, (2) not break the bank on gas, (3) be more reliable, and (4) be an easier sell to mom.
A JEEP is a JEEP...not a car. If you don't like cats continue to call it a car. (they say every time you call a Jeep a car a kitten dies).....ok seriously
I have been driving Jeeps since the early '80s.....I have purchased 3 and currently own 2. The first one I traded for a truck which my kids did not like as well.
I have been in 3 accidents same '04 Jeep TJ, (not my fault) and in 2 of them the other vehicles were totaled. One was a full size Dodge Ram Truck, the other was a full size GMC van. The jeep has never had more than $4000 in damages from the wrecks.
My wife will not part with her '12 JK..and she was driving a Camry before I got her the JK. I have an '04 TJ that has 160K+ miles on it.....needed repairs on it in the 9 years of ownership, brakes, tires, clutch, exhaust, and water pump....all items that wear out on any vehicle.
As said easy to work on, cheap insurance, and safer than most other vehicles IMO in an accident.
Here is the down side, gas mileage is better in MOST other vehicles...there is ALWAYS something to work on as it will quickly become a way of life to change and or up grade paint or bed line the Jeep.....if you take care of it, and it is decent shape now, no reason it couldn't be passed down to your children...(unless you become like a lot of us and the kids get the Jeep when we die)
However it comes out this is a good place to start, for getting info.
One caution some people do not think Jeeps are a "good first vehicle", and some of them are members of this Forum.....however the key to that is "being responsible"....if you take it easy it should last you a long, long time.....who knows your mom maay come back around to wanting a Jeep for herself!!
Tell your parents, that unlike most cars, a jeep holds its value. You will be able to sell it down the road for what you paid. Anything else is going to continue to lose value until it's worth a few hundred dollars. Another good thing about owning a jeep, is that they are easy to work on. I will never part w mine for that one reason... I have had my jeep since 99, I have 90,000 on it and it's running strong.
I'll give you a couple good reasons (1) you like it (2) whatever else you buy you'll get tired of sooner (3)When/if you tire of it you'll get your money back on it if you take care of it. Hope your Mom let's you. By the way I have a buddy with a 98. He and his wife won't part with it and have had it for years.
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