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Old 11-04-2008, 01:25 AM   #1
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Why so expensive??

An excerpt from this Jeepers memoirs...

Monday, November III,

As I browse the internet tonight, like many nights before, I become enthralled and utterly consumed by the products laid before me... From locking center consoles to rear differential covers... From Tire carriers to chrome grill inserts... Oh the possibilities! So many different colors to choose from... So many different trail armor configurations... One could go quite mad from this new found tumult.

But alas, I shant be the one to enjoy such options. For I, like many others, have been assembled with flesh, bone, and blood... Not cash...

Will there be a day when the common "wheeler" such as myself will be able to (realistically) amuse themselves with such aspirations? I fear that if that time will one day exist, I will not be present to witness it.

-Garrett Davis Esquire

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I guess what I'm trying to say is why are these things so expensive?
While Tuffy lock boxes are a godsend, I think they're products are a bit overpriced.
Like this lock box that's made apparently for radio face plates. I think $100 is a bit much for that, along with these dividers for a Tuffy trunk, all they are, are strips of metal to organize the trunk, why are they $135?? Same with these brackets, I'd rather make my own.

Then there's a factory replacement front bumper for $275?!?! Why so much!?!?!

Air intakes as far as i can tell are just big tubes going to air filters... $300?? And don't get me started This filth.

I can't think of any more right now but I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about and feel my pain... Either that or you guys will tear me apart about why they are so expensive and that I know not of what i speak.

I JUST NEED SOME ANSWERS!!!

Thank you for sitting through this unusually long and somewhat grammatically intensive rant.


EDIT: Sorry this should be in the General Jeep Discussion section.

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In video games, the bad guy's bullets travel much slower than the good guy's bullets.
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:30 AM   #2
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Yes they are "expensive" but we are a niche group. There are very few vehicles with such a dedicated aftermarket to solely focus on what we want, and sadly, we pay for it.

But a word of the wise... stay away from 4WD.com and Quadratec... those with the biggest marketing budgets are probably not the best to shop at.

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Old 11-04-2008, 02:56 AM   #3
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that may be but they usually have better prices
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33" BFG A/T's 15" soft 8's
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Old 11-04-2008, 08:45 AM   #4
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i always try to look on ebay or craigslist for the used stuff for my cj. plus there are some things that you can make yourself. i am in the process of getting a snorkle made out of pvc. Total cost: $50.
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You just need some imagination, to be able to walk thru a harware store and pick stuff off the shelf. If you want an induction system, build it yourself. I agree, the brackets are stupid expensive.
I just put a network in for a customer and used a wall mounted rack, nothing fancy, just 4 legs standing off the wall and threaded holes drilled in to EIA standards on the front fact to mount 2 small 2U servers and a 24 port switch. I needed two shelves, the shelves were nothing more than sheet metal with two tabs that screwed into those EIA holes, $50 each and two blank panels 2Units high, $30 each.
Well, thats over, I now have a small metal brake for cutting and a decent supply of sheet metal to make my own now, I get four blanks out of $12 worth of sheet metal, some black paint and 4 quick holes to mount.
As far as the tuffy consoles, thats a different story, while I could probably weld up something I don't have the skills to do that kind of bending and get everything to line up right. Hit up a military surplus store and look for ammo cans, there are quite a variety of them, you just need to find the right dimensions then figure out how to add a lock.
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:08 AM   #6
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If you are handy, have access to decent tools and do some comparison research, you can build a lot of the stuff yourself...

There is a huge used market too... check out eBay and Craigslist.
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I agree with Az as far as this is a niche group. But....

Hell, I've had everything from antique cars (Fairlanes, Mustangs, VW beetles) to modern conveyances. I've found that no matter what your choice in vehicular addiction, the prices are high no matter what. Spend some time lurking a BMW M3 forum or a Porsche owners site like Pellican parts... Some of that stuff boggles the mind.

As Jeepers, we are afforded the luxury of a vast market. As apposed to the purest mind of a sports car owner, the more stuff we can throw at our rigs the better. And, unlike most markets, aftermarket Jeep parts were forged out of some form of necessity. For instance the Tuffy Console... If Jeeps weren't so readily accessible to the less than honest we could just lock the doors and walk away...

Also, the price of your rig is directly proportionate to the kinds of things you want to do with it. Just like farm equipment. You can't plow a field with a combine.

One must also factor in the cost of research and development. Some of the items up for sale have been extensively tested and retooled several times over to assure a perfect fit, ease in operation and overall usability.

With very few exceptions, you only get what you pay for. If it's a little on the expensive side and it fits a Jeep... It's probably worth it.
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Four inch lift and 33s, you'll find no sympathy here. I've managed to wheel some of the most amazing trails in my area on a budget boost and 31s, even after I was told I'd never make it.
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I agree with Az as far as this is a niche group. But....

Hell, I've had everything from antique cars (Fairlanes, Mustangs, VW beetles) to modern conveyances. I've found that no matter what your choice in vehicular addiction, the prices are high no matter what. Spend some time lurking a BMW M3 forum or a Porsche owners site like Pellican parts... Some of that stuff boggles the mind.

As Jeepers, we are afforded the luxury of a vast market. As apposed to the purest mind of a sports car owner, the more stuff we can throw at our rigs the better. And, unlike most markets, aftermarket Jeep parts were forged out of some form of necessity. For instance the Tuffy Console... If Jeeps weren't so readily accessible to the less than honest we could just lock the doors and walk away...

Also, the price of your rig is directly proportionate to the kinds of things you want to do with it. Just like farm equipment. You can't plow a field with a combine.

One must also factor in the cost of research and development. Some of the items up for sale have been extensively tested and retooled several times over to assure a perfect fit, ease in operation and overall usability.

With very few exceptions, you only get what you pay for. If it's a little on the expensive side and it fits a Jeep... It's probably worth it.
Mustang's....now you are speaking my language.

Yeah, try finding (let alone purchasing) a stock (not repo or NOS) 1967 factory air cleaner for a Fastback Mustang GT w/390 4 speed.... There's a mind bender. Set me back almost $750 with the cover.

To think I use to just throw them in the garbage once upon a time.
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i think the center consoles are appropriately priced but the rest of their stuff is ridiculous!
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Mustang's....now you are speaking my language.

Yeah, try finding (let alone purchasing) a stock (not repo or NOS) 1967 factory air cleaner for a Fastback Mustang GT w/390 4 speed.... There's a mind bender. Set me back almost $750 with the cover.

To think I use to just throw them in the garbage once upon a time.
Yep, hard to find = expensive. Try finding a (one) 64 chevelle SS hubcap! Then try PAYING for one...4 tuffy lock boxes and a dealership 36k mile tuneup for the jeep and that was 15 years ago!
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Yep, hard to find = expensive. Try finding a (one) 64 chevelle SS hubcap! Then try PAYING for one...4 tuffy lock boxes and a dealership 36k mile tuneup for the jeep and that was 15 years ago!
That's a shame you mention that now. I know a place in Paterson, NJ that has thousands of hub caps. They don't have a phone and you should be armed when you drive into the complex, but they have any kind of cap imagineable.
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Four inch lift and 33s, you'll find no sympathy here. I've managed to wheel some of the most amazing trails in my area on a budget boost and 31s, even after I was told I'd never make it.
Who ever told you that you couldn't make it?

Back on topic: Like Cain said, there are a lot of reasons that parts can be expensive. If you want something NOW, you pay whatever price they want and you get it.

If you want to save money, you wait, you do your research, you look everywhere, and you find the stuff at good prices. There are bargains to be had out there, it just take patience and a lot of looking. The cool thing is, there is always someone out there that is just one step ahead of you in building their own Jeep and has parts to sell.

I've built my Jeep on a very tight budget and I can honestly say that I've gotten a pretty good education along the way. I still have a long way to go, but I'll get there eventually.
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That's a shame you mention that now. I know a place in Paterson, NJ that has thousands of hub caps. They don't have a phone and you should be armed when you drive into the complex, but they have any kind of cap imagineable.

dont for get the armor, too. patterson is a crap hole.
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dont for get the armor, too. patterson is a crap hole.
Yes, there are some rough spots. I worked on 23rd street for 3 1/2 years. However, there are some really good machine shops and places to buy parts.
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i think the best part about jeeps is that a lot of the parts are interchangable across the generations. you can get used parts for very cheap. that is not a luxury that you have with other types of vehicles. just be glad you dont have to replace parts on a ferrari or a lambo, from what i hear that gets expensive quick.
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EX - thoughts on this console

Ex, nice rant! Don't go ballistic with this suggestion but look at the locking center console at Max-Bilt Jeeps . It too may be deemed expensive but its more of a solution than an expense . Just wondered what you think?
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Ex, nice rant! Don't go ballistic with this suggestion but look at the locking center console at Max-Bilt Jeeps . It too may be deemed expensive but its more of a solution than an expense . Just wondered what you think?

Haha, they look nice but it doesn't look like they have a TJ version yet. Thanks, Ill have to wait until they do, they look pretty cool.
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That's a shame you mention that now. I know a place in Paterson, NJ that has thousands of hub caps. They don't have a phone and you should be armed when you drive into the complex, but they have any kind of cap imagineable.
There is another hub cap/wheel place in Easton PA, it's about 200 yards before the bridge to phillipsburg, they have two or three other stores so if one does not have it the others might, be advised it's not cheap though no matter what it looks like from outside.

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