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Old 01-07-2012, 02:53 PM   #31
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I to had the same winch and I just put an extra 1" spacer in mine to level it on top of the BB with no problems--cost me $35 but I did replace the shocks though for adding the important droop factor.

As for the sort of death wobble, I too would look to the panhard bar first, but it could be almost anything or a combination of things

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Old 01-07-2012, 06:08 PM   #32
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I actually put on the Rusty's 3" lit springs today which TJDave recommended... it worked! It's all level now ... They also significantly enhanced the ride quality, though I think the handling is slightly worse now, not that that's a huge priority in a Jeep

and Rubishaw, what shocks did you put in? And what is the "droop factor?" Would that be when you're offroad you want one side to be able to drop down farther?

I was looking at the OME heavy duty shocks, which are for if you have an extra 90-180 lbs or so, and the winch+plate is about 120lbs, so that's be perfect. However, they are pretty expensive. Does any one know of any other heavy duty shocks out there?

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...and Rubishawn, what shocks did you put in? And what is the "droop factor?" Would that be when you're offroad you want one side to be able to drop down farther?.....
It's been a long time and I gave all the receipts to the buyer, but I used the Pro-Comp ES3000's. I am pretty sure the 324515's for the front and 324500's for the rear. I basically did not want the shocks to limit my "droop"(yes, down travel)--they normally do, so I went with these longer ones to take care of that, but then you have to watch your collapsed length, so not to bottom out.

I ran the front disconnected(rear still connected) off-road, so that's why, if you look it up, the fronts actually can fit a taller lift(3.5"). I also don't run bump stops, as my speeds are slow for the type of wheeling that I do, but this might allow coil bind, which is actually not recommended for the springs, however it worked for me and allowed more "stuff"(up travel) as well.

With this set-up that I explained to you I actually got some awesome flex/articulation. This picture(my old Rubicon) shows a little but it was not even close to its limits and all the tires were on the ground with no locker engaged. Those tires are 33.3" tall by the way
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Old 01-08-2012, 07:12 PM   #34
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It's been a long time and I gave all the receipts to the buyer, but I used the Pro-Comp ES3000's. I am pretty sure the 324515's for the front and 324500's for the rear. I basically did not want the shocks to limit my "droop"(yes, down travel)--they normally do, so I went with these longer ones to take care of that, but then you have to watch your collapsed length, so not to bottom out.

I ran the front disconnected(rear still connected) off-road, so that's why, if you look it up, the fronts actually can fit a taller lift(3.5"). I also don't run bump stops, as my speeds are slow for the type of wheeling that I do, but this might allow coil bind, which is actually not recommended for the springs, however it worked for me and allowed more "stuff"(up travel) as well.

With this set-up that I explained to you I actually got some awesome flex/articulation. This picture(my old Rubicon) shows a little but it was not even close to its limits and all the tires were on the ground with no locker engaged. Those tires are 33.3" tall by the way
Did you drive that Jeep on-road? B/c wouldn't running no bump-stops make the shocks more prone to blowing out?
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So here are before and after pics. After as in after I installed the Rusty's 3" lift springs on the front...

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After switching springs from OEM to the 3" lift, did you have to have the alignment checked?
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After switching springs from OEM to the 3" lift, did you have to have the alignment checked?
No I didn't. Because I wasn't changing the lift height; I used the 3" springs to replace the 2" spacers. I haven't had any alignment problems i.e. no death wobble or anything. I even took the Jeep to like 85 mph with no problems. Plus, the springs increases the ride quality a lot!
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No I didn't. Because I wasn't changing the lift height; I used the 3" springs to replace the 2" spacers. I haven't had any alignment problems i.e. no death wobble or anything. I even took the Jeep to like 85 mph with no problems. Plus, the springs increases the ride quality a lot!
I took out my BB front spacers (left the rear ones) and installed Teraflex 4" lift coil springs in place of the OEM. Now it's slightly higher on the front than the rear (looks great). However, I will have to take to the alignment shop to have the angles put back in place as the DW came back.
Does anyone know if I should consider replacing anything else for better steering, angles, etc? (Adjustable track bar necessary, drop pitman?) Anyone, recommendations, or can I just run with the stock?
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I took out my BB front spacers (left the rear ones) and installed Teraflex 4" lift coil springs in place of the OEM. Now it's slightly higher on the front than the rear (looks great). However, I will have to take to the alignment shop to have the angles put back in place as the DW came back.
Does anyone know if I should consider replacing anything else for better steering, angles, etc? (Adjustable track bar necessary, drop pitman?) Anyone, recommendations, or can I just run with the stock?
Did you put a winch on or something? Or just wanted the front higher?
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Put a new bumper and winch on. Front was lower than the rear by 2+ inches. I'm thinking that now with the extra height I will need to add a drop pitman and adjustable trackbar before taking it for alignment.
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So here are before and after pics. After as in after I installed the Rusty's 3" lift springs on the front...
Looks great! Glad it worked out for you.

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Put a new bumper and winch on. Front was lower than the rear by 2+ inches. I'm thinking that now with the extra height I will need to add a drop pitman and adjustable trackbar before taking it for alignment.
Yes, adjustable track bar if you want your axle centered. Or, lots of people avoid that by drilling another hole in the axle side mount. I was never a fan of that idea. If you don't get the hole drilled just right, the track bar could rip out of the mount.

I do not think you will need a drop pitman arm. I didn't.
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Thanks. Guess I will play it safe and do the adj track bar. Do you think adj control arms are necessary? Do I go with upper or lower adjustables if I'm buying just one or the other?
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Great thread! I think I might be double BB stacked in the front (bought it this way) to compensate for a heavy tube bumper and winch. But it rides great as-is on and off road.




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Looks great! Glad it worked out for you.
Thanks for the suggestion!

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