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Old 11-06-2009, 11:25 AM   #1
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hey guys I'm looking for a good winch for my tj, whats out there that'll work well, last and be inexpensive

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Old 11-06-2009, 11:29 AM   #2
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The best is Warn, but not inexpensive. But will last.

Seems like I haven't heard anything "bad" about any winch. Even the Smittybuilt & Harbor Freight winches work.

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Old 11-06-2009, 11:36 AM   #3
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i got this superwinch from rokmen for $399 shipped to my door. do yourself a favor and stay as far away from the harbor freight ones as you possibly can. they are awful and potentially dangerous.
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i got this superwinch from rokmen for $399 shipped to my door. do yourself a favor and stay as far away from the harbor freight ones as you possibly can. they are awful and potentially dangerous.
In one of the 4X4 mags, there was a "Winch shoot-out from hell" where they compared (maybe) 8 or 9 winches. The Harbor Freight Chicago Electric was one of them.
It was the last of 3 winches still running at the end of the day. And they really did put the winches through hell. Granted, it was running slow, but still running. Didn't give them any problems throughout the shoot-out.
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they did a similar shoot out on jp too. i know with the smittybuilt that they were using, they really tested its ability and were pretty impressed. a couple of guys that i ride with have the xrc 8 and haven't had a single issue with them at all. they've definitely got their moneys worth already... i'm probably going to go the same route.
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Regarding winches, "work well, last and be inexpensive" are three terms that can't be counted on to all work together. Personally, I don't like any of the new cheap winches coming out of China like Smittybilt's and (especially) Chicago Electric as sold by Harbor Freight Tools.

When you are seriously stuck and in a predicament that means your winch better work or you're not getting home that night, are you willing to trust a low-end winch? If it's just a toy that might never be used, then any of them would be fine. But if you actually will be using it on a regular basis and not just to provide a minor assist on an easy trail, then I'd go for a better quality winch like a Warn.

If your needs are more serious than using it as a toy but can't afford even Warn's inexpensive M8000, then my suggestion is to simply save a little longer and avoid the "gotta have it now" urge to just have any winch up front.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:27 PM   #7
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Regarding winches, "work well, last and be inexpensive" are three terms that can't be counted on to all work together.
That's true for most things. In advertising they say that there's Cheap, Fast and Good. But you can NEVER get more than two of those at the same time.

Another advanatge of Warn is that other folks will have them when you go wheeling. That's a nice plus when you forget or break your controller. (I've heard. I've never forgotten the winch controller personally ).
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While I do agree with whats stated above about how you get what you pay for, this test was no doubt an extreme one, and the Chicago electric lasted through it all. Only 3 out of seven finished!

They had to pull this full size diesel truck, a huge trailer and a jeep up a hill for the first test:


Another grueling pull was all the way up hells gate!?!


I just think its pretty incredible that the brand that we (me included) would call crap outlasted these other reputable brands.
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just think its pretty incredible that the brand that we (me included) would call crap outlasted these other reputable brands.
That's not what the test showed... the Chicago Electric winch did not outlast the "reputable brands", it just managed to not burn up and was in the final three that managed to finish. The people conducting the test said "By the end of the test, this winch (the Chicago Electric) was crawling along, hanging on for dear life. It didn’t finish with the vigor it had at the beginning of the test."

That's not saying it outlasted all them by any stretch of the imagination. Warn and Superwinch finished the test as well but without any problems or issues whatsoever.

Based on their "It didn’t finish with the vigor it had at the beginning of the test" I seriously doubt it could have pulled off that test a second or third time like the Warn and Superwinch easily could have. I want a winch that will last me for many years, not one that ends after only a single day of tough winching as Chicago Electric's did... "without the vigor it had at the beginning of the test."
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^ Haha I agree with you there Jerry, I guess what I typed came off the wrong way

I still think its amazing that it lasted even that long and put up with way more than your average jeeper would put it through for less than 1/4 the price of the Warn.

That being said the next winch I buy will most likely be This
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As long as this is a winch thread, any comments on the Superwinch S-9, or S9000?
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You'll like that M8000 ExDementia, lots of my far-more-hardcore-than-I-am buddies use and love that particular winch. It holds up really well to pretty much anything you can throw at it.

By the way, and the main reason for this post, I apologize that my above post seemed to come off a little harsh, I didn't mean it to be but I think it did turn out that way.
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No worries man, you made me realize my post came out kind of biased somehow haha
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...."By the end ...it was crawling along, hanging on for dear life. It didn’t finish with the vigor it had at the beginning."
That line is also very true of more things than just winches.
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I know that you all like your country. But thatīs no reason why a winch thatīs assembled or made in the US should be better than winches fro other countries.
The bigger part of professional used winches (military, forestry, fire departments, towing companies) here in Europe are from an Austian company that assembles their winches there but the parts are made in Asia. And I never heard of any problems with these winches.
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My Jeep was just assisted up a hill by a Warn this past weekend. Even with me behind the wheel (first time I've ever needed winching or been winched) we were successful, with no damage. (I didn't even snap the synthetic line by running over it while climbing up/being pulled. I'm such a newb...)

It's a secure feeling knowing you can trust the equipment.
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As long as this is a winch thread, any comments on the Superwinch S-9, or S9000?
Anyone?
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I know that you all like your country. But thatīs no reason why a winch thatīs assembled or made in the US should be better than winches fro other countries.
The bigger part of professional used winches (military, forestry, fire departments, towing companies) here in Europe are from an Austian company that assembles their winches there but the parts are made in Asia. And I never heard of any problems with these winches.
linky to a place we patriots can get buy this brand?

(pure curiosity, as I have no $)
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i kinda agree, but i gotta say guys, if a "cheapo" like Chicago Electric finished the day still working, is says alot, this isnt normal winch work, this is extreme abuse, no matter how you look at it the CE did very well for it's price

now that having been said I gotta say the test would be better served up doing this to say at least 2 of each winch, instead of 7 they would have 14, but only 7 brands participating

it is obvious that Warn is the top dog, with Superwinch just a butt hair behind

but CE beat out

Mile Marker, Ramsey, T-Max, and Bulldog Winches.

results don't lie...
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when winching, you may have to pull a vehicle over rocks/through mud or something, but not up a huge rock face such as in this test, also you would never pull a truck, trailor and another vehicle in tow while out on the trail

so this is an out of the ordinary competition, i would say a pretty good abuse situation
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just thought I would report on how my new winch worked yesterday on the trail. I had to winch 11 people up a 75-100 ft hill (real greasy, no traction) and the thing never missed a beat. I wondered how it would hold up after multiple pulls but it did fine
smittybilt winch 8K


Hmmm... I have heard so many good things about these

I just spent like half an hour trying to find someone who had a Smittybilt winch fail on them and I came up empty handed. I did see one where he got a bad motor from the factory and was quickly replaced. But this was when they had the permanent magnet motor, they now come with a series wound and I couldn't find anything bad about it. I also saw a few where their remote failed but they all reported that Smittybilt very promptly sent them out a new one at no cost with no questions asked.

One thing I saw alot of though: Jerry Bransford getting ripped apart by these people on JF lol It was actually pretty funny, they all jumped on him like a pack of wild dogs when everything Jerry said was either patriotic or just good sense: you get what you pay for.

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Half my club has Warn, the other half (myself included) have the Smittybuilt. A year after purchasing, it has been used on virtually every run to either get me or a winch-less buddy out. None of all the Smittybuilts have failed, or even shown that can't keep up with the Warns in our club.
I have a TON of videos and pics on my club's website-www.outhouseoffroad.com, as well as a tech write up on how to make an in-cab winch control for the Smittybuilts.

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After about 6 months of use, I had a winch controller with a cable that sometimes had to be wiggled right at the plug to get to work. I checked the plug, one of the screws had been overtightened at the factory and stripped, making the wire not stay connected. I needed a new plug, nothing more.
I called Smittybuilt. Without any qualms, proof of purchase, receipt, or serial number, 3 days later a whole new winch controller showed up at my door.

They work, and when I had a very minor issue, I was taken care of immediately.
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I'm done in this thread. You guys can hate me all you want for my buy American when possible philosophy. I just can't understand why some of you just go berserk when someone has that opinion.
Getting shit for being patriotic?!?! I have noticed that jeepers are usually a pretty patriotic bunch, this is just hilarious

Oh and if you think Jerry has alot of posts on here he has over 44K on JeepForum

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i got a free T-Max competition series 6500 pound winch from a friend and i want to mount it on my stock wrangler bumper i have a 2002 sahara. i kno i have to move the hooks and other lights i have put on. i was wondering if anyone had a good suggestion on which winch mount i should get and a good website to buy it from.

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