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Old 09-04-2012, 08:50 PM   #1
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Winches - Why So Many?

How do you know what you need in a winch? Clicking on the "Warn" vendor site alone, there were endless models. What brand(s) are best. What minimum/maximum model is required for a Wrangler?

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Rule of thumb on winches is 1.5x the weight of the vehicle. So a 4k lb. jeep will need at least a 6k winch. Many go to 8k or the 9.5k. My TJ weighs in at 4200lbs so I have a 8k winch.

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I want a winch... Just dont know which one?. If you go to the last post in this thread, it has several links to winch reviews and other related items.
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The determination is somewhat modified by your conditions. If you have a sparse terrain then you would consider line length. If you have DEEP mud situations you would need a larger capability (3x weight) because of the suction of the mud. If you intend to do extended use (logging) then you need to consider duty cycle more.

If you are looking at extended, light duty use, you need to look at amp draw versus line pull to get the most efficient so you drain the battery less.

If you are going to be out alone you need to be assured both that the winch will get you out and also that it won't leave you stranded. If you are going into the mountains alone, like I was in Idaho a lot, then you want to run a dual battery system with dual alternators, etc. That way, when you do ( and you will) kill the battery completely you can still start and run the vehicle.

But for 90% of the winches on 4x4 vehicles, they are only unused once or twice a year and then it wouldn't be a serious catastrophe if they failed. So, in that case, there is a very wide selection and the choice is more what is convenient, cost effective, good warranty, low profile, looks, etc.

I have a spare motor for my M8000 winches as they would get used enough to get the motors smoking. You can switch the motor on a Warn M8000 quite easily in the field.
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Winches are like most anything on Jeeps there is a huge selection because of budget, application and selection...to name a few reasons.
Some have been around for decades like Warn. Some are new to the seen like engo.

A winch size between 6k and 10k will cover 99% of applications. I have a m8000 on my cj and a xd9000i on my TJ.

IMO the mack daddy of winches is the Warn 8274 which has been produced for about 70 years. But a new one is $1800 too.

Like others have said depending on your application it may be hard to justify spending $1000 on something you may never use. The reviews on the engo winches are good and the price is hard to beat. I don't know anyone with one so can't give direct feedback.

One thing I will say is if you buy a winch you must have recovery gear or the winch is pretty much just a heavy paper weight on the front. IMO the minimum requirements are a tree saver, snatch block and 2 shackles. Pair of gloves if you have wire rope and something to lay on the wire (heavy jacket or blanket) is always a good idea.

Winching is one of the most dangerous things that happens off road so dont treat it lightly and dont cheap out on accesories. But thats just my 2 cents.

A used winch may not be a bad place to start. There are some good priced winches for sale in our classifieds that might be worth looking at as well.
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Old 09-05-2012, 10:33 AM   #6
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Excellent feedback. Much appreciated.
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Also check out the new Quadratec winches they just came out with. Seem to be a really good and inexpensive option for less than $400.
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I've got a Q9000, had it for a few months and can't complain. I'm not a hardcore wheeler and just needed it in case of emergency on the usual trails. Very good starter winch again if you just do light/medium duty type wheeling.
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a few applications

Just a few of the things I have used my winch for,
1. Extraction (many many times) (35 times on one trip up to the repeater after the Teton Dam failure.)
2. Removing the entire 6"-10" thick concrete floor from my garage. Loaded the broken up pieces into a dumpster. It took an 8274 and an m8000 to tip and drag them into the dumpster.
3. logging in Idaho mountains.
4. loading game animals,
5. installing cabinets in garage,
6. pulling out trees/bushes (use a tire up against the tree and run the line over it. it changes the pull to vertical and lifts them out.)
7. removing the nut from the tongue on a receiver hitch. The rocks had smeared the bottom of the bolt over. Hooked a 36" pipe wrench onto the nut and pulled on it with the winch.
8. lowering CB antenna
9. relocating a 600 lb rock with a fountain through it alone
10. loading snow plow into trailer alone. hooked trailer to front receiver hitch and pulled it up in with the winch.
11. lifting the top off the Wrangler.
12. lifting walls, etc. for construction
13. loading vehicles on flatbed.
14. loading boat on trailer from the ground.

You get the idea. I consider it to be my Lil Buddy with 8,000 lbs of "COME HERE". So, you see with the variety of things you can use it there needs to be a wide variety of choices.
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Installing cabinets????
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Just a few of the things I have used my winch for,
1. Extraction (many many times) (35 times on one trip up to the repeater after the Teton Dam failure.)
2. Removing the entire 6"-10" thick concrete floor from my garage. Loaded the broken up pieces into a dumpster. It took an 8274 and an m8000 to tip and drag them into the dumpster.
3. logging in Idaho mountains.
4. loading game animals,
5. installing cabinets in garage,
6. pulling out trees/bushes (use a tire up against the tree and run the line over it. it changes the pull to vertical and lifts them out.)
7. removing the nut from the tongue on a receiver hitch. The rocks had smeared the bottom of the bolt over. Hooked a 36" pipe wrench onto the nut and pulled on it with the winch.
8. lowering CB antenna
9. relocating a 600 lb rock with a fountain through it alone
10. loading snow plow into trailer alone. hooked trailer to front receiver hitch and pulled it up in with the winch.
11. lifting the top off the Wrangler.
12. lifting walls, etc. for construction
13. loading vehicles on flatbed.
14. loading boat on trailer from the ground.

You get the idea. I consider it to be my Lil Buddy with 8,000 lbs of "COME HERE". So, you see with the variety of things you can use it there needs to be a wide variety of choices.
Awesome. I need to print this for my wife... see, these are things to do with the winch I have to get!
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Awesome. I need to print this for my wife... see, these are things to do with the winch I have to get!
Careful, she may just make her own "Honey Do" list of things for you to do
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YEP, Cabinets

I acquired some good, heavy, cabinets for the garage but was alone. I had lost my wife to cancer so didn't have that extra helping hand.

I rigged the snatch block in the rafters of the garage above where the cabinets would go. Nailed a 2x4 along where the bottom of the cabinets would be. Called to my Lil Buddy with the 8,000lb "come on up". Just a press of the thumb lifted them up & set them on the 2x4. Used another 2x4 to keep them back against the wall. Then casually anchored them into the studs and removed the bottom 2x4. Told my Lil Buddy to go back and rest till needed again.

My wife now routinely comes out and says,, WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME? How did you do that alone? The vast majority of the time I didn't work as hard as I would have for 2 people to do it without the winch. AND you have good control of things along the way.

Yes, it takes a little rigging time. And you need to be sure you don't create a greater risk of something going wrong. I kept a snatch block rigged to a reinforced rafter in the pole barn with a rope on it. Hook the rope on the front of the garden tractor, hook the other end to the winch and lift the front of the tractor up to get access to the blades or wash it off. Need to work on the underside of the pull behind mower, just hoist if up in the air and there it is.

Hauling trash and need to get a quick unload? Just throw a couple old tires on the floor in the front with a rope attached and run it out the back. After you load on top of them, just hook that rope to the winch and say, "come on out". Course you can anchor the rope and drive away too.

Do you get the idea I'm lazy? Would rather spend 30 minutes rigging than 20 minutes killing myself to get something done.

Gotta carry a LOT of heavy stuff quite a ways? Anchor the line about 7' above the ground at the other end. Pull over about a 7' high point at this end and pull the cable tight. Now you drop the snatch block over the cable. Hook what needs to be moved and just push it along the cable. Come back for another load. Works where there isn't a path to use a cart or wheelborrow.

One of the most useful attachments is a 2" receiver on the front under the winch. Lets you hook a trailer to the front and you can then use the winch to convince things they need to be in the trailer. Rig an "A" frame above the front of the trailer and it will lift/pull things right up into the trailer. Use that on my little 5'x8' utility trailer.

Never tried Yard-&-Stay with 2 winch lines but could readily be done. Slow but effective.

They are an interesting tool.

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