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Old 10-25-2010, 11:37 AM   #31
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Well, I've been working crashes for 10 years, 2 of which in Traffic Homicide. I have never worked a roll over with a wrangler. To be honest, the majority of the roll-overs I see are ford exploders, expeditions, and assorted passenger cars. It's mainly flat down here in FL, but with the rain and crappy roads we have here I'd expect to see a bigger assortment of roll-overs??? I'd say the wrangler is just as safe as any other tin can out there or safer, based on it riding on an actual frame. You should see how our impalas fold up compared to the body on frame crown vics!

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My first car was a 1979 Ford Ranchero. I bought it. I'm a firm believer in my parents philosophy of making the kids buy their own vehicles. Yeah it was kinda a POS...but it ran fine, If I were to hit anything I was pretty dang safe. and I learned a lot in that vehicle.

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can she drive, the reason i ask is one of my jeep club members has his 12 year old daughter wheeling his jeep, heres a few pictures of her, notice the booster seat.
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can she drive, the reason i ask is one of my jeep club members has his 12 year old daughter wheeling his jeep, heres a few pictures of her, notice the booster seat.
someone must be a proud father.... glad people are still doing it right.... i got my first taste of jeeping young and im so glad....
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I got a 92 Wrangler for my first ride. I turned out ok, plus it taught me how to change oil, tires, T-case fluid, etc.
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My first car was a 1979 Ford Ranchero. I bought it. I'm a firm believer in my parents philosophy of making the kids buy their own vehicles. Yeah it was kinda a POS...but it ran fine, If I were to hit anything I was pretty dang safe. and I learned a lot in that vehicle.

kids who are given everything appreciate nothing.

x2 on that...I bought my own car at 16 from working for my parents, had a bunch of lawn mowing jobs, recycling aluminum from every bar in 2 towns, etc. Nothing was ever given to me or my brother, and we used to complain about our friends getting things given to them. I'm glad my parents taught us the value of working for something and realizing in the real world, you get what you can afford...not what you ideally want. I had more respect for my "own" vehicle that I worked for and had to pay for. In my opinion, it gives a beginner more responsibility to care for the vehicle that they had to work and slave to get. I still have a soft spot for the memory of my 1979 Chevette that I bought for $800 and drove all through High School and up to my Junior year in College.

Besides...insurance is killer on a driver under 25 on a Wrangler...you'll save cash on a passenger vehicle just in the insurance dept. over a wrangler.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:22 PM   #37
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well, I'm 16 and all my budget could afford was a 91 YJ. It's been fine for me

And, I bought it myself! I train dogs, so I trained my german shepherd to be a service dog for veterans, and a service dog organization paid me $5,000 for him, so there was my car and insurance money!
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well, I'm 16 and all my budget could afford was a 91 YJ. It's been fine for me

And, I bought it myself! I train dogs, so I trained my german shepherd to be a service dog for veterans, and a service dog organization paid me $5,000 for him, so there was my car and insurance money!
My hat is off to you...this is what I like to see in today's youth.
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yeah, I do not have a car of my own. I share my parents car with them. Currently saving up to buy my own.
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:38 PM   #40
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and I have to say after reading other posts on here, that it is all dependent on the driver. I like to think of myself as a semi-responsible driver. Yes, I drive too fast. Yes, I play the music waaay too loud. But, I know how to keep my eyes on the road. I haven't gotten into an accident (although I've been driving on my own for about 3 months), and I haven't gotten a ticket. The YJ is a great vehicle that has taught me A LOT! I know every inch of that Jeep from doing all the repairs and what not, it has taught me the valuable skill of driving a manual vehicle. It has taught me the importance of saving gas (at 11mpg). Also, I don't know what people think, but you can't fit more than 2, maybe 3 other people in a YJ. So, that definitely cuts down on distractions. Plus, you can't hear each other to talk LOL! I love the Jeep, and will stick with a Jeep for the rest of my life!
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My hat is off to you...this is what I like to see in today's youth.
Well, thank you!
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:47 PM   #42
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Also, I don't know what people think, but you can't fit more than 2, maybe 3 other people in a YJ.
I don't know if a TJ is that much bigger than a YJ, but you can put 10 people in a TJ, its just not that comfortable...
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:24 PM   #43
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correction you can put 4 or 5 in a tj the rest count as "on" a tj LOL
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I bought it myself!


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Old 10-25-2010, 02:53 PM   #46
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correction you can put 4 or 5 in a tj the rest count as "on" a tj LOL
They were all within the confines of the soft top... it was college, cold out, and everyone but the driver was drunk.
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impressive lol i would have thought that it was only with the top off and ppl hangin in/out/on
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Yup... I was supprised when I droped them off... I counted them on the way out... 3 on the back bench, 3 on their laps, 2 in pass seat, one on center consol, and me driving.
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:54 PM   #49
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thats just dumb...


and i would suggest a tj as well, i own a JK 4dr and i love it and i own an 89 YJ and love it but as a general rule of thumb dont give your 16 boy or girl something brand new.... they will screw it up and insurance is going to be expensive.

i would suggest a TJ because you can get them decently cheap, they are good vehicles, stock is safe and she gets a convertable still....

trust me, if she is even half way respectable then she will love whatever you get her and try and take care of it. i personally wouldnt mind putting my daughter in one when she turns 16 (she is 3 months old right now) but i will make sure she can drive well before she gets a vehicle.
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Old 10-25-2010, 05:27 PM   #50
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My daughter is 17 and drives a 99 TJ. We did buy it for her, but she works part-time and pays gas and repair bills. Which is cool because she helps whenever we do anything. I think every parent should know their kid enough to do what is right for THAT kid. I disagree with somebodies "teach them off-road skills first" I read earlier. I'm sorry but the two don't cross-over. How is crawling over boulders and mud at 2mph gonna help when they're goin down the freeway at 55 in the rain and somebody slams on the brakes in front of them That's the stuff that will help.
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My daughter is 17 and drives a 99 TJ. We did buy it for her, but she works part-time and pays gas and repair bills. Which is cool because she helps whenever we do anything. I think every parent should know their kid enough to do what is right for THAT kid. I disagree with somebodies "teach them off-road skills first" I read earlier. I'm sorry but the two don't cross-over. How is crawling over boulders and mud at 2mph gonna help when they're goin down the freeway at 55 in the rain and somebody slams on the brakes in front of them That's the stuff that will help.
Try not to take offence but if all you do is 2 mph out wheelin I don't think I'd have any fun going along. There is a lot of crossover as you put it. They have no problem not rolling back into someone if they have stop on a hill. They find out where all 4 sides of their vehicle is and to keep track of that information at all times. They know how to let the engine do it's job be it speeding up or slowing down. (Most adults I see still haven't learned that and ride their brakes on every hill.) They also learn that having a vehicle requires them to do the maintenance to keep it in shape. Opinions are like Jeeps to each his own. That you don't agree is great' that you see no comparison makes me wonder.
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Short answer: Yes.
I had mine when I turned 17. But honestly, it depends on the person and their maturity level. DEFINITELY GO USED!
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Wonder all you wantThere's a reason it's called crawling you know And we have plenty of fun doing it! It does teach you to know where your vehicle is for sure, I'll give you that one! But I taught her not get into those kind of spots. Teaching maintenance on your vehicle has nothing to do with jeeps, so if she had a toyota, I wouldn't show her anything?
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Thanks for the many replies.

I think it is up to the individual. Our son, 16 at the time, had been driving our handed down to him, Yukon when he swerved to miss a deer, caught the shoulder, over corrected and it rolled over twice. He was wearing a seat belt, and he was all right. At age 17 he was working for a local landscaping company. They had let him start pulling their trailers. That concerned me because of his lack of experience. The inevitable happened. Driving 55 down a 4 lane bypass and someone pulled out in front of him. He swerved to change lanes, trailer started swaying and he lost it. Rolled 4 times and flipped twice. This time he was not wearing seat belt and was ejected all the way to the other lane of the bypass. He took the chopper ride to the med, but was released that night with only scrapes, bruises and a severe concussion. We are lucky to still have him.

I guess my main reason for asking this question was to find out what you thought about the safety of a Wrangler. The reason I was saying 07, 08 was because of the 4 door for safety reasons. I know alot of her friends will be getting new rides, but she will not. She wants my 98 F150 4x4, but I am not ready to part with it yet.

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Heres the thing. My jeep is my first car and trust me I want to speed so bad but the thing is i literally cant. Get what I am saying? I have a 4 cylinder automatic the thing is slow as a snail and has stock gearing with 30's Let her learn to drive in yours so she can gain some respect for the beast and realize its no wheres near safe to speed in. Then get a a little 4 cylinder tj automatic would be better then stick slower and stick may be overwhelming for a new driver.
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my 2001 is getting passed down to my son in a few years...i have no problems with it being his first ride
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im 21 now and just got my first jeep about a month ago. My first car was a 95 ford aspire i bought myself for 600 dollars. perfect first car, could seat 5, had a ton of room for a big stereo and topped out at 80. Then i bought a brand new 07 focus and that lead to a bunch of near accidents and speeding tickets. i think a jeep would be a decent call, especially with winter conditions. Also, the jeep is the cheapest to insure because state farm thinks its the safest
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Well, I've been working crashes for 10 years, 2 of which in Traffic Homicide. I have never worked a roll over with a wrangler. To be honest, the majority of the roll-overs I see are ford exploders, expeditions, and assorted passenger cars. It's mainly flat down here in FL, but with the rain and crappy roads we have here I'd expect to see a bigger assortment of roll-overs??? I'd say the wrangler is just as safe as any other tin can out there or safer, based on it riding on an actual frame. You should see how our impalas fold up compared to the body on frame crown vics!
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I was Firefighter/Paramedic for 10 years and worked my fair share of vehicle rollovers usually resulting in fatalities. Never once was a Jeep involved and there are a TON of them driving around my area!

My first car was a 1972 Ford Maverick Grabber with a 302 V8 3-speed on the tree and rear wheel drive! It did just fine for my "learning to drive" period and was never wrecked!

Our 15 year old will be getting a used Altima or Jetta (both in the family).
Let her learn to drive in something else first with the condition of "safe and responsible driving yields a Jeep in the future".

Also-like was mentioned earlier....16 year old girl in a Jeep = 18 year old boys with her alone in the woods "offroading".

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I got my dad's 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 198 thousand miles on it when i turned 16. I drove it for almost two years with no tickets and no accidents. I got a brand new 2010 4-door wrangler at the end of this summer. Age doesn't always translate to driving habits/problems.
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I'd say get her a TJ but it really depends on maturity level and motor skills. Although I am kind of biased. I learned how to drive on a 97' Ford Expedition but recently I bought an 04' Sport with 62XXX miles on it with the 5 speed. Within a week I had the manual transmission smooth as butter. But I'm mechanically inclined so that helped. My TJ feels much more stanble than the expedition in fact if I wanted to I could whip it around corners pretty well. I will say it is VERY touchy at highway speed. Any over correction at 65mph and you're donezo. It just takes some getting used to.

edit: I bought it with some inheritance money from my grandfather that had passed. I know I am very fortunate and blessed that he gave me that gift. I also work part time after school and buy my own gas

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