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Old 08-13-2010, 10:42 AM   #1
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Talking YJ vs TJ

Hey all, new poster to the forum here, although I've been reading a long quite a bit in the past few months.

Been looking to buy my first Jeep as it's a better vehicle for the outdoorsy kinda stuff I'm into and better for the kind of roads work takes me on (currently have an 03 Celica).

I had been concentrating on TJ's simply because I can't afford a JK, but just yesterday I found a 1990 YJ Islander that looks like it's in beautiful shape and only has 38k miles on it! Needless to say I'm excited.

What I'm wondering is if there's anything I'm overlooking in getting a Jeep thats 20 years old? My logic is Jeeps were designed back then to last just as long as they do now (more or less), so a YJ with such low miles on it (granted it's been taken care of over that time, yet to be seen) should be a good investment.

The styling on the YJ's is sexy

Just a bit more information: I don't plan on getting into recreational off roading, but if my rock climbing/hunting/snowboarding/whatever takes me a little off the beaten path, so be it. What I'm saying is I'm not looking for a beast that can handle rocks, just a fairly off road capable vehicle that I can tool around in with the rag top down in the summer

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Only draw back to the 90 Jeep if its the 6cly is the carb. 91 and newer had fuel injection. All 4cly's had fuel injection but they are don't have a lot of power. Be sure to check the frame for rust, back near the schackle hanger is a problem area. Post some pic's if ya can. Or a link to the Jeep.

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also....go stillers
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11,000 seems steep, although its super low miles, but it is also 20 years old.
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11,000 seems steep, although its super low miles, but it is also 20 years old.
yeah i agree. it's a great looking ride no doubt about it, but it is a steep price. these jeep engines are strong as anvils so i'd check to see what you can get around the 100k range. not much difference in mileage believe it or not.......
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I just ran it KBB...For suggested retail price, in excellent condition, with a couple of mods (I guessed on these since the sight doenst label them), you are lookin at 6270 at the highest
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Yeah but KBB shows every jeep to be worth less than I would ever take for one of mine too....I'd say that one has has a repaint...don't ever remeber an islander sticker on the fender versus the kickpanel, and blue painted flares. Still yet, for 10K you can get a super clean 95 with low or lower miles.
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you guys are right about the KBB value and steepness of the price. maybe i'll low ball him a bit when I go look at it later today. i peg my trade-in at $6500 tops, and i'll throw in $1-2k cash on top of that.
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Yeah but KBB shows every jeep to be worth less than I would ever take for one of mine too....I'd say that one has has a repaint...don't ever remeber an islander sticker on the fender versus the kickpanel, and blue painted flares. Still yet, for 10K you can get a super clean 95 with low or lower miles.
Oh I agree since KBB basically focuses on stock vehicles...but coming from a dealer, why not use it to your advantage? Either way 11K seems like too much for that jeep, it doesnt look to have much for mods other than a lift.
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for that kind of money get a TJ.
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:58 AM   #12
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Yeah, if I was buying one to keep I would go for a 94-5 for sure...less issues Dad just bought a flawless 95 Sahara with 90K on it the other day for 4500.00
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for that kind of money get a TJ.
I paid 12K for my 99. I bought an extended warranty though...now that Ive had the jeep, it was pretty much a waste of money considering my buddies and I do all of the work on it. Without the warranty I woulda been around 10,500 out the door
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ok, somebody check my math/logic here:

-KBB base value of the jeep is 6k
-the tube front/rear = 1k
-another 1k for the soft top with sliding glass upper doors (probably more like 1.5k)
-wheels/tires/lift = about 1k
-paint job?

...I'm inclined to say that if the thing looks to be in nice shape when I go look at it and I could get it out the door for 9-9.5k i'd do it.
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Yeah, if I was buying one to keep I would go for a 94-5 for sure...less issues Dad just bought a flawless 95 Sahara with 90K on it the other day for 4500.00
what issues would be common for a low miles 90 YJ?
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The wheels look like they may be stockers...cant be positive on that. The bumpers also run about 200 bucks a piece...so you are looking at 400 AT most and they probably came on it when the dealer got a hold of it.
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Double checked the pictures...the wheels are the same that came on my jeep stock, the tires dont look to be anything special, and its hard to say whats been done to the suspension, but I can tell you that there is a shackle lift on it
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First of all you have to go in there and tell um that the extras dont mean crap lol...seriously, that's what I do and what people try to do to me ....next question I have is where has it been in its life? Whole life in PA? I'd be lookin real hard at the kick panels to see if they have been replaced, as well as the 3 main spots in the frame the rust out. Doesn't take too long up there to rust a Jeep....I sell lots of parts to folks in PA for that reason.
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No way would I even go look at that!!!!!!! That is Wayyyyyyyy to much money. It may only have 35K miles on it but every hose peice of rubber or plastic is 20 years old. I give about 4-5K topps.

I just bought a 2004 Rubicon for 9k.

Sold, not to long ago, a 2000 TJ with a 4" lift and brand new 31" tires for 6K.

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Hey all, new poster to the forum here, although I've been reading a long quite a bit in the past few months.

Been looking to buy my first Jeep as it's a better vehicle for the outdoorsy kinda stuff I'm into and better for the kind of roads work takes me on (currently have an 03 Celica).

I had been concentrating on TJ's simply because I can't afford a JK, but just yesterday I found a 1990 YJ Islander that looks like it's in beautiful shape and only has 38k miles on it! Needless to say I'm excited.

What I'm wondering is if there's anything I'm overlooking in getting a Jeep thats 20 years old? My logic is Jeeps were designed back then to last just as long as they do now (more or less), so a YJ with such low miles on it (granted it's been taken care of over that time, yet to be seen) should be a good investment.

The styling on the YJ's is sexy

Just a bit more information: I don't plan on getting into recreational off roading, but if my rock climbing/hunting/snowboarding/whatever takes me a little off the beaten path, so be it. What I'm saying is I'm not looking for a beast that can handle rocks, just a fairly off road capable vehicle that I can tool around in with the rag top down in the summer
Your going to cause a war.
But yes YJs are sexy.
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Thanks a lot for everyone's input. I'm sure you know the feeling of your brain fighting for whats right and your balls fighting for what's awesome; i got so excited at the prospect of finally getting a jeep after 3+ deals on good TJ's fell through.

I'm driving past the dealership on my way somewhere today so I figure there's no harm in stopping to take a peek. You're definitely right that the asking price is wayyyy too high. I'm in the mindset that if I'm going to play ball at all, it will be extreme hard ball. I'll post after the weekend and let you guys know what happened.

Again, I really appreciate everyone's objective point of view on this.
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MMMyeah it all depends on where your at and what you want. Newer is not always better and in alot of cases worse depending on how it was treated. WE are rapidly approaching the days where the YJ's will be worth more than a TJ and in some cases its already happening. Its all a trend, just like CJ parts being the most expensive (I'm talking oem stuff, not aftermarket)....I don't mess with TJ's for that reason, the parts are worth nothing...but there will come a day when they will be and I will have to break down and sell those too haha
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Seems way over priced, I bought my 02 Sahara three months ago with 72k miles, 4.0l 5spd with a hardtop and D44 rearend for 11.8k from a local jeep dealership...
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Man, I'd be looking at some newer TJs if I had 10k to spend.
Aint no way a 20 year old jeep is worth that.

I bought my 98 TJ for 7k, and it had a lift and a locker.
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Well I stopped by and checked it out. Exterior was in great shape, paint was beautiful, it drove nice. Tires are new, seats felt new...overall I'd be happy to drive the thing. Hoses and other plastic under the hood felt newish, definitely been replaced at some point.

I lowballed the guy hard, offered 5-6.5k in trade (depending on how you appraise the condition of my celica) plus 1k in cash on top. He knows the price was wayyy high, couldn't really explain to me where the difference from KBB to the asking price came from. Well they couldn't take my offer but from talking to him more I think I could get it out the door for trade + 2k. That's still a little high considering the blue book value, but there was a decent amount of money put into it.

It's something I'll have to think more on. I haven't had much response trying to sell my car private party, so getting a good trade-in on it would save me a ton of hassle. And I really like the fact that the YJ isn't something you see as much as the TJs.

I'll keep you posted.
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6k at the most. as someone has said, it's still a 20 y/o vehicle.
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If its what he wants, let um buy it....I've sold several YJ's for over 6K
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I have a TJ but i have a big soft spot for YJ's ,especially Islanders(even though that ones missing the decals) and yes its a very nice Jeep but i agree its a little high, i would say i would spend around$7000 for it
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As much as I love Yj's that is too much for a non-injected Jeep. Have you checked the carfax on this one? Take it for a test drive and get it up to 65mph. See if there is any hesitation, pull or vibration. And with only 38,000 miles I don't want to see rust anywhere.
If everything checks out then I'd offer 1K over book but only because finding a YJ in really good condition these days is near impossible.
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so yea, the dude wouldnt budge to the price I wanted. The best they could do is my celica + 3k (and i value my celica at 5-6k). As badass as I think it would be to have a carbed YJ, thats too much money to accept running into problems down the line.

God that guy was hard to argue with. He kept saying that my celica isnt worth what I think it is, and I kept saying their YJ isnt worth what they think it is (11k??).

Thanks again for your opinions.

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