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Old 01-12-2014, 08:21 PM   #1
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2 door vs 4 door for trail use

So... I'm at a point of wanting to get a new jeep... this jeep will see some highway use but the real question I have is what's the ups and downs between the two? I want to purchase this jeep knowing it will be a great choice for my wheeling... I play in the mud, rocks and sand a lot. The trails I go on can get tight and do have steep hills and drops. I run them with my tj now... and it does ok. Needless to say I'm probably gonna go with 35s for the jk... 2.5" if it's a 2 door, 3.5" for a 4 door... I've seen 4 doors fit down the trails, even the tighter ones, so is the extra length worth getting so your more stable in the dips and on steep hills even though it will be a tighter squeeze on some turns through the tight trails??? Ideas? I've been reading back and fourth and there is a ton of two doors and four doors on the main trails I run... any help on making this decision would be great!

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I've noticed the longer JKUs might have to back up a couple times to make some really tight turns.

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If all you care about is off-road then get the 2 door. It costs less and, as you can see by the fact that its a tiny square box, its what wranglers were intended to be.
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So... I'm at a point of wanting to get a new jeep... this jeep will see some highway use but the real question I have is what's the ups and downs between the two? I want to purchase this jeep knowing it will be a great choice for my wheeling... I play in the mud, rocks and sand a lot. The trails I go on can get tight and do have steep hills and drops. I run them with my tj now... and it does ok. Needless to say I'm probably gonna go with 35s for the jk... 2.5" if it's a 2 door, 3.5" for a 4 door... I've seen 4 doors fit down the trails, even the tighter ones, so is the extra length worth getting so your more stable in the dips and on steep hills even though it will be a tighter squeeze on some turns through the tight trails??? Ideas? I've been reading back and fourth and there is a ton of two doors and four doors on the main trails I run... any help on making this decision would be great!

I currently have a four door, but ive wheeled with guys with two doors and honestly, there is very little difference. They are more monvuable and I typically have to reverse and go to fit around some turns and yes I do bottom out more frequently, but ive only been stuck once due to the bottoming out in two years of wheeling. But, those are very little negatives compared to the positives that the long wheel base of the four door brings. I feel much more stable on climbs and decends and also speedy runs through trails and I csn carry a hell of a lot more than my friends. Not to mention that the four door can handle 35"s better than a two door. I think you cant go wrong with either, it just depends on ehat you think is most important.
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It depends on the day and trail I'm on. Sliding down the muddy hill at Redbird SRA with super tight turns, I'd have preferred a 2 door and wouldn't have fender damage. Every time I'm out at Badlands and climb the larger entries into the quarry, up the waterfall, or any other rock ledges, I walk up them and am grateful for the 4 door when I watch the 2 doors spin tires for 5 attempts before giving up. Same thing goes for most of the really interesting rock troughs up and down we run, I prefer the 4 door's wheelbase here.

It's a double edged sword, but keep in mind both sides are really sharp either way. You'll get a lot of guys that will tell you not to buy a 4 door unless you have kids. I've had those same guys with me in the quarry stuck at the bottom when I barely gave any throttle to get up a rock ledge. Most of them had more money into their rig and ground clearance than me too. I really do hate it when I have to 3-point turn something they clear with attention but in one go though.

The only climbing category I've found a 2 door to win in is break over angle. It's not the end all be all. If you have good sliders and invest a little money in skids I believe it to be negligible in about 90% of the situations too. No matter what you do to a 4 door though, it just won't turn as sharp. We're always going to lose in that category.

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There are a few switchbacks where a 4-door has to make more turns to get through. However, a 4-door is more stable and less tippy on the really steep stuff. I have now had my 2-door for almost two years but will be trading it soon. I just ordered a 4-door JKUR. I will prefer it due to the extra room and more comfortable ride. It is just so much more practical on trips.
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I am on my second 4 door and (2013 jku and 2014 jkur) and wish I had a 2 door lol. grass will always be greener type thing. both have advantages and disadvantages but I think for most hard core off-roading the 2 door will have less disadvantages especially the tighter it gets. I go off roading mostly with shorter wheel base outfits and they get turned around so much easier then I do. It is nice having extra room tho and my wife and I can actually sleep in the back of the 4 door (I am 5'10" and that is about as tall as you could be with 2 people sleeping in the back). Test drive both and see what feels better. I think 2 doors can look incredibly good with 33" tires and 35" tires where as the 4 doors really need at least 34"s and even those look small.
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Not to mention that the four door can handle 35"s better than a two door. I think you cant go wrong with either, it just depends on ehat you think is most important.
Please explain what you mean by this.
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Please explain what you mean by this.
I believe he means that because they have the exact same suspension it somehow makes them different

But on a serious note maybe he means they just look better or something
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If all you care about is offroading, get a 2 door base model, they're a lot cheaper.

If you want a luxury car (that can go offroad) get a 4 door.

If you just plain want a luxury car buy a toyota.
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The 4 doors in our group had to bypass this climb because of the break-over angle.



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I had 97 TJ for a long time.
Bought my Grandpas 2007 JKUR (4dr) off of him when he was ready to trade up to the 3.6L. At first I wasnt sure if I wanted it because my radical roots said that "this isnt a real Jeep and it will never wheel like my 2 door." I was right in a sense.

The positives of a 4 dr:
I can fold the seats down and carry lots of stuff for work.
Fit lots of camping equipment + passengers. With 2dr its usually 1 or the other
Fold the seats down and sleep in the back.
Stability ON and OFF the highway, the 2 dr cannot compare.
Overall comfort for everyone in the vehicle.

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TJ YJ and CJ guys will never accept you haha
Breakover angle (high center easier)
You look like a soccer mom until you dump $$$$$
If you do a lot of tight, narrow woods offroading it can get frusterating.
Takes more lift + $$$ to make it compete with the 2 dr offroad

I ended up trading my TJ for a Harley I loved my 4dr so much. Daily Driving is a breeze. I feel like im driving a luxury car after driving the TJ for 6 years.

Go with the Rubi if you arent going over 35" tires.
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Wheelbase. And four doors have heavier coils to hold their extra weight. Ive drivin 4 doors with 35"s and 2 doors with 35" and theres a big difference on road. Doesnt take any explaining.

Drive shafts are also a good point but not was I was refferring to
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He might be talking about driveshaft angles for the same amount of lift? Waiting to see too!

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I believe he means that because they have the exact same suspension it somehow makes them different

But on a serious note maybe he means they just look better or something
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Longer driveshafts, they make 33s look small, ....
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By the time I'd know that, I'd already be high centered and bump or winch it over. It doesn't look worse on film than trail #4 at Redbird, but pictures are deceiving. Can't say I'd make it, but I'd sure try! =). I'd suspect to take a run or 2 at it and bump over after hitting the skids if I didn't just outright clear it. Could be a lot worse than it looks though.

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Wheelbase. And four doors have heavier coils to hold their extra weight. Ive drivin 4 doors with 35"s and 2 doors with 35" and theres a big difference on road. Doesnt take any explaining.

Drive shafts are also a good point but not was I was refferring to
Incorrect. First of all, they don't necessarily have different coils.
Furthermore coils have nothing to do with tire size. They will definitely handle differently because of the wheelbase. Drive shafts have absolutely nothing to do with it.
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If your looking for a Jeep you need two doors....if you need more room then one of the 4door wagoneers is what you need to look at.

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By the time I'd know that, I'd already be high centered and bump or winch it over. It doesn't look worse on film than trail #4 at Redbird, but pictures are deceiving. Can't say I'd make it, but I'd sure try! =). I'd suspect to take a run or 2 at it and bump over after hitting the skids if I didn't just outright clear it. Could be a lot worse than it looks though.
I would agree. hard to tell what the other side looks like but does not look like bypass material, unless running short tires. Looks like the 2 door is just running stock 31's. I also know photos rarely do justice to what steepness really is like so maybe worse then it looks.
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Incorrect. First of all, they don't necessarily have different coils.
Furthermore coils have nothing to do with tire size. They will definitely handle differently because of the wheelbase. Drive shafts have absolutely nothing to do with it.
...They most certanly have different coils. Thats been proven. They all come from the factory with set coils, two doors coming with the less stiff lighter ones and four doors coming with heavier ones. A vehicle with a short wheel base running 35"s and lets say a 3" lift will handle worse than a long wheel base vehicle with the same setup. I dont want to dumb it down as I know you know this already, but a longer wheel base will always handle better on road, and when suspension and tire mods come into play, that longer wheel base will knumb the effects of the larger tires and suspension compared to a short wheel base. Thats why two doors are typically the ones who have the most threads on handling issues on the highway and buy larger SS, ETC.

Also, longer drive shaft on a 4 door wont have drive line vibrations at the same lift height as a two door.
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In most cases 2 doors may have lower numbers on the coils from the factory but that is not always the case. It is possible to get the same coils on a 2door as it is on a 4 door. pretty much just hit or miss but I would say you have better odds of getting -19/60 on 4 doors vs 2 doors but I would say it is not all that uncommon to get the same 16/56 or 17/57's etc
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By the time I'd know that, I'd already be high centered and bump or winch it over. It doesn't look worse on film than trail #4 at Redbird, but pictures are deceiving. Can't say I'd make it, but I'd sure try! =). I'd suspect to take a run or 2 at it and bump over after hitting the skids if I didn't just outright clear it. Could be a lot worse than it looks though.
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I would agree. hard to tell what the other side looks like but does not look like bypass material, unless running short tires. Looks like the 2 door is just running stock 31's. I also know photos rarely do justice to what steepness really is like so maybe worse then it looks.
Stock 32" KM's. The other side was actually a descent! The first 4 door that tried it made it, but dragged his belly over it. No one else wanted any part of it. The ruts were much deeper than they look and on the left at the top, that part of the "rut" was more of a hole. After watching the guy before me, my plan was to put my tires on that rock jutting out on the left and try to stay on the high side of the ruts. We had just come through water so you can also see how wet and slick it was. I missed the rock and decided to try a second run as my tires were starting to spin. That was quickly aborted because as soon as I started down my right front tire was in the air and I was looking at blue sky. I put it back in 1st and gave it the skinny pedal until I made it over.
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...They most certanly have different coils. Thats been proven. They all come from the factory with set coils, two doors coming with the less stiff lighter ones and four doors coming with heavier ones. A vehicle with a short wheel base running 35"s and lets say a 3" lift will handle worse than a long wheel base vehicle with the same setup. I dont want to dumb it down as I know you know this already, but a longer wheel base will always handle better on road, and when suspension and tire mods come into play, that longer wheel base will knumb the effects of the larger tires and suspension compared to a short wheel base. Thats why two doors are typically the ones who have the most threads on handling issues on the highway and buy larger SS, ETC.

Also, longer drive shaft on a 4 door wont have drive line vibrations at the same lift height as a two door.
Actually it has been proven that any Wrangler might have any coil whether 2 door or 4. Yes wheelbase is a factor, that does not make a 4 door "handle 35's better". Drive line vibrations are not the issue, fatal angle is. However a 2 door (same as a 4 door) can handle 35's with a 2.5" lift and the fatal angle is not a factor at that point.
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The members over a JK-Forum were the first to tackle the stock springs issue. I followed that thread with skepticism at first, but became a believer. I brought that information over here to Wrangler forum and was an early adopter of the 19/60 coil lift. Lets Solve the Stock Springs Question

Considering a spring swap.

I'm pretty well versed on this particular subject.
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Actually it has been proven that any Wrangler might have any coil whether 2 door or 4. Yes wheelbase is a factor, that does not make a 4 door "handle 35's better". Drive line vibrations are not the issue, fatal angle is. However a 2 door (same as a 4 door) can handle 35's with a 2.5" lift and the fatal angle is not a factor at that point.
Okay so the coil setup is random, you have that. But that is not the main point. The wheel base is not just a factor, it is what translates the road to you. Thats like saying an engine is "just a factor" to how much power your vehicle can create. A longer wheel base will always, 100%, make a vehicle handle better on road than a short one. Add what ever suspension you want to a short wheel base vehicle, it will never be as stable and well handled as a longer wheel base. Add tires to the mix and your already drifty handling in a two door gets even worse. Maybe your not sensitive to handling, I dont know, but the lack of stabilty and driftiness from a lifted two door is worse than a four door.
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We're derailing the thread, and it always happens in a 2 door vs. 4 door thread. Btw, I'd like to run that place someday Daggo, if you don't mind pming me where it's at and if it's public accessible.

I'll leave you with this ORK. Spend some time watching the hardcore rock crawling, hardcore trail running JK videos on you tube and elsewhere. As much as the 2 door guys will hate to admit it, more of the best rigged badass JK's out there are JKU's. These guys didn't drop tons of $ into their machine to haul kids and car seats. The wheelbase will help you more often than hurt you.
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Okay so the coil setup is random, you have that. But that is not the main point. The wheel base is not just a factor, it is what translates the road to you. Thats like saying an engine is "just a factor" to how much power your vehicle can create. A longer wheel base will always, 100%, make a vehicle handle better on road than a short one. Add what ever suspension you want to a short wheel base vehicle, it will never be as stable and well handled as a longer wheel base. Add tires to the mix and your already drifty handling in a two door gets even worse. Maybe your not sensitive to handling, I dont know, but the lack of stabilty and driftiness from a lifted two door is worse than a four door.
Your points are well taken. In bad conditions 2 doors can be quite squirrelly. The difference between the 4 door handling and the 2 door handling does not become a wider gap based on tire size alone in my opinion. I have 2 Wrangler 2 doors. One on 35's and one on 33's. They have identical suspensions. Any differences in handling are indecipherable.
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We're derailing the thread, and it always happens in a 2 door vs. 4 door thread. Btw, I'd like to run that place someday Daggo, if you don't mind pming me where it's at and if it's public accessible.

I'll leave you with this ORK. Spend some time watching the hardcore rock crawling, hardcore trail running JK videos on you tube and elsewhere. As much as the 2 door guys will hate to admit it, more of the best rigged badass JK's out there are JKU's. These guys didn't drop tons of $ into their machine to haul kids and car seats. The wheelbase will help you more often than hurt you.
Rausch Creek, PA and it's a privately run off road park that is open to the public daily. Break over angle aside, a 4 door will out climb a 2 door every time.
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Thanks Daggo66. Rausch is on my to do list for sure. Wife and I wished we'd have run it while out in MD before moving to Indiana. My Jeep wasn't really rigged well at the time, and we were working too much (about 66-72 hours per week). If you're ever out this way I'll show you around Badlands Off road park or Redbird SRA <jeepwave>.

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